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Fabian Herz

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Agree that the subject fails GNG. GoldMiner24 ^Talk 01:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Steffen Siepmann

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Agree that the subject fails GNG GoldMiner24 ^Talk 01:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Gavin Carlin

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Roman Miroshnichenko

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Wikipedia is not a vanity publisher or a PR platform. Refbombed spam for non notable individual. Has a massive primary sourced laundry list of so called awards but they are not major awards (or for the most part remotely credible). Last Afd closed no consensus largely on the validity of the Independent Music Awards (IMAs) (now deleted) but they are not a major award and are not even a notable award. None of the many listed charts are GOODCHARTS. Refbombed sources lack independent coverage in reliable sources. Curated by a single SPA who despite being blocked is still updating this PR. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: Does the International Songwriting Competition confer notability? The article for the award has a few citations to RS calling it "prestigious", mostly the Irish newspaper article... Not sure about notability otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 14:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

lol 'prestigious' is a word that barely exists outside press releases - if you see it in a news item it's a giveaway that the piece is probably churnalism. Things which are genuinely prestigious (Nobel, Emmy etc.) are never described as 'prestigious'. Mccapra (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

ASCAP is an Irish newspaper? Good to know! ascap.com/help/music-business-101/songwriting-competitions DiscursivePraxis (talk) 20:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: winning non-notable awards doesn't help notability here. Other than the 2024 "win", this is still the same quality of biography we saw during the last round at AfD. I've read up a bit more on these "awards", they don't seem terribly important. Nor do most of the charted albums/songs hit on charts that we recognize. Oaktree b (talk) 19:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. An article about Roman Miroshnichenko is included in The Great Jazz Guitarists encyclopedia, edited by Scott Yanow. --Yakudza (talk) 17:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Very weak keep In duo with Grammy-nominated guitarist Mike Stern, Roman Miroshnichenko has won the Best Jazz Award of the USA Songwriting Contest: serious world-class achievement mentioned in the top news of All About Jazz - the largest jazz portal in the world. Also, he is a Guinness Records holder, which is more than a notable award. Along with John Williams, Allan Silvestry, and Hans Zimmer, he was the nominee for the Hollywood Music in Media Awards. Not a big deal, too? He has recorded with the London Symphony at Abbey Road studio, just think for a moment. He is also a Recording Academy/Grammy Voting Member, where only outstanding musicians and experts are allowed. He is the winner of the Film Music Contest, the largest competition in media music in Europe. These are just undeniable facts that can make less fortunate colleagues nervous. All facts are in the public domain.

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• Weak keep I do agree that the article is very obnoxious and and been refbombed to hell(98 references!?). It could probably use some work to move towards a more neutral view, to read the article would make you think this guy is one of the best musicians in the world. But I do believe he barely passes GNG. Winning the international songwriting competition and the article in The great Jazz guitarists certainly help, although are not too well known. The fact that he has won so many awards speaks to his notability even though most are quite unknown. GoldMiner24 ^Talk 02:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep He has truly made his mark on the music world. Teaming up with Grammy-nominated guitarist Mike Stern, he recntly won the Best Jazz Award at the USA Songwriting Contest, a big honor that even made headlines on All About Jazz, the world's largest jazz portal. His list of achievements keeps growing: he's a Guinness World Record holder, a Grammy Voting Member, and has even been nomnated for the Hollywood Music in Media Awards alongside John Williams, Alan Silvestri, and Hans Zimmer. He's also recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra at the iconic Abbey Road Studios and took home the top prize in Europe's biggest media music competition - the Film Music Contest. It's safe to say that Miroshnichenko's accomplishments speak for themselves.

  DiscursivePraxis (talk) 10:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Andrew Knack

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WP:BLP of a politician, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NPOL #2. To be fair, Edmonton is a large and prominent enough city that its city councillors could qualify for articles if they were substantive and properly sourced -- but the only attempts at content about his work on council shown here are "he participated in various committees relevant to city governance" (i.e. did his job) and "utilized social media platforms to inform constituents about local issues and gather public feedback" (i.e. did his job), without stating or sourcing anything about the impact of his work.
We would need to see things like specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects his work had on the development of the city, evidence that his notability nationalizes beyond just Edmonton alone, and on and so forth, but there's absolutely none of that here.
And for sourcing, this is referenced entirely to one primary source (reduplicated as four distinct footnotes for no obvious reason) that isn't support for notability at all, and two deadlinked (but recoverable) hits of run of the mill local coverage of his decision to step down and not run for reelection next year, which is not enough to get him over NPOL's requirement for significant press coverage all by itself if it's the only non-primary sourcing on the table.
Simply existing as a city councillor is in no way "inherently" notable enough to exempt the article from having to be a lot more substantive, and a lot better sourced, than this. Bearcat (talk) 14:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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I completely understand but instead of turing this article into a draft give me 24 hours and i'll have this fixed New poltics (talk) 02:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I'm seeing plenty of coverage in reliable local sources, including some pieces squarely focused on Knack (examples 1, 2, 3, 4). His work on the council has attracted coverage from CBC before, which covers all of Canada (example 1, 2). His work on housing and homelessness seems to come up repeatedly including drawing a response from an Alberta minister (1 and mention in a story from Dallas, USA, not close to home (1). There's a number of other articles on council work featuring Knack I haven't linked here.. I could see the case that this is all within normal bounds for a city councilor, and that's fair, but as you say Edmonton is a major city and I think there's some inherent notability here. I'd say notability is established by this level of coverage. Unrelated to notability, the current article is bland, vaguely written, and should be considerably improved. —Ganesha811 (talk) 00:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Emmanuel Chain

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Article was tagged for UPE by others and creator is indeffed as a sock. Article content is just basic resume/CV type material. I translated the 4 sources although do not have a full understanding of the context of the websites. Two are so flowery that they appear to be self-written. Could not find even one GNG qualifying reference. North8000 (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: a fairly notable TV host; see sources in French. He does EASILY meet the requirements for notability and I am surprised to read no sources have been identified. Examples? https://www.liberation.fr/futurs/2003/05/20/emmanuel-chain-quitte-capital_434225/ https://www.liberation.fr/medias/2003/08/30/en-vitrine-emmanuel-chain-le-dessein-d-animer_443372/ https://www.letemps.ch/cyber/presentateur-capital-emmanuel-chain-quitte-m6?srsltid=AfmBOorshQ4A-QuUZu2qoDHWTH0tQmmASHLg8i4BwDSNJIXbEX-K783l https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/2003/06/01/emmanuel-chain-le-travail-et-le-capital_4277967_1819218.html https://www.leparisien.fr/culture-loisirs/emmanuel-chain-encourageant-02-09-2003-2004357796.php etc, etc, etc. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: Wit the Fr sources given, should have enough for notability. This is a career retrospective [1], which also helps. Oaktree b (talk) 00:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: The FR wiki article also has several sources in RS, which could be imported here. Oaktree b (talk) 00:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

John Norman Jnr

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable as one of the few pro darts players from Canada, having represented his country at the World Cup of Darts, and has relevant coverage from Canada's national broadcaster CBC as a result - 1, 2, 3. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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Ryan Murray (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Fails GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 15:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Gary Spedding

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. A search for sources seems to yield namesakes and not this darts player. LibStar (talk) 23:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Nick Fullwell

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Fails GNG and lacks SIGCOV. I found this but it isn't enough. Dougal18 (talk) 14:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Thanawat Gaweenuntawong

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment - withholding my vote for now as I can't read Thai, but leaving this coverage from The Star (Malaysia) as a starting point - beyond that there's only this from the Irish Daily Star (not the deprecated UK one, mind) about an incident on the oche with an Irish player, which isn't that major. Any Thai users able to see if there's sigcov in Thai-language media? ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  • The only results that turn up in a Thai-language Google search are two Pantip forum posts from 2015, and a mention in a restaurant review in Krungthep Turakij (he's a son of the owner and operates one of its branches). --Paul_012 (talk) 07:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Troels Rusel

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Station, Boston

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This is an electoral ward of just 2,700 people with a town of 45,000 people. All that the article really says is "the ward exists". It does not prove its notability and it is for that complete lack of notability that I am nominating it for deletion. 10mmsocket (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• If not deleted, Redirect to Borough of Boston#Elections, which has a list of the wards and a link leading to Boston Borough Council elections and thence to pages such as 2023 Boston Borough Council election which give the detailed election results for the ward (2023 Boston Borough Council election#Station etc). And add to disambiguation page at Station#Places: if it has any encyclopedic value, it merits a dab page entry. PamD 14:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  Rename: On further consideration, as it isn't a place it probably shouldn't have comma disambiguation, so it should be renamed as Station (Boston ward) if it survives either as a page or as a redirect. (Or should that be "(Boston, Lincolnshire, ward)"? Should all these places being disambiguated as ", Boston" actually be disambiguated as ", Boston, Lincolnshire"?) PamD 15:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Redirect and/or merge to Boston, Lincolnshire as an alternative to deletion. It looks like the Politics section at least mentions the Station ward. – The Grid (talk) 14:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Either merge to Boston, Lincolnshire#Borough Council wards or redirect to Borough of Boston#Elections per above. I would prefer the merging option. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 14:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep per WP:GEOLAND as a populated, legally recognized place. Not opposed to merging/redirecting. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  A ward is not a legally recognised place, it is a political division which is not covered in GEOLAND. Therefore should meet GNG which this doesn't. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 16:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  Wards in the UK are legally recognised places. They are created by Acts of Parliament/Statutory Instruments and written into the statute book, you genuinely could not ask for more legal recognition. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Merge wards are political structures not places (unless the ward covers a legally recognised place) so do not meet GEOLAND. Merge to Boston.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 16:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I don't have strong feelings about whether or not to delete this, just throwing another option into the discussion: you could merge/redirect to List of electoral wards in Lincolnshire. There's generally a limited and standard amount of encyclopaedic information that you can say about a ward, which makes them well suited to just using a table. Some of the other "List of electoral wards" articles - e.g. List of electoral wards in Bristol and List of electoral wards in Dorset give examples of how you could use tables to cover the main information (population, location, etc) about all Lincolnshire wards in one list article. Joe D (t) 13:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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Han van den Berg

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Does not pass WP:NSPORT, and has no sources to support any claim of notability. Plasticwonder (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: I tried to look for coverage using the Dutch newspaper database Delpher. I managed to find one article that describes his performance in a particular race, another that just mentions him as a participant, and nothing else. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 17:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
  • I also tried LexisNexis. Some details about him are mentioned in two paywalled articles about his wife (1 and 2), but they do not constitute in-depth coverage about Han. - Tristan Surtel (talk)

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• Article PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Netherlands at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Rowing per ATD and CHEAP. The article is not notable from the sources in this debate. I could read the second source above, basically a passing mention. The first source may be a bit better, yet in any case the article is too short to keep. So no need to dive too deep. I did copy what is needed at the target, while slightly improving the ref. Could also be considered a merge without the need to move more content, if we want to indirectly attribute the previous content creators. gidonb (talk) 23:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Yes, redirecting is also fine with me as an alternative. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Lee Du-haeng

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No secondary sources. Fails WP:NTRACK. Placed 32nd at one Olympics. Fails WP:BASIC. AusLondonder (talk) 16:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Some coverage:
  • "[2014 경주국제마라톤]서른에 입문 늦깎이 "아들 위해 뛰었다"" [[2014 Gyeongju International Marathon] A late bloomer who started at age 30 “I ran for my son”]. The Dong-a Ilbo (in Korean). October 20, 2014. (c. 220 words)
  • "늦깎이 마라토너 고양시청 '이두행' 런던行 확정 - 경기신문" [Late bloomer marathon runner Goyang City Hall ‘Lee Du-haeng’]. KGNews. April 10, 2012. (c. 170 words)
• BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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• Comment: Also placed in the top 8 at continental championships. He did not take up athletics at age 30, but took up marathon near that age. Geschichte (talk) 06:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep via coverage above plus more under subject's Korean name "이두행": "이두행". The bar for NBASIC is met. --Habst (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  Which pieces of coverage do you find when finding "more"? Geschichte (talk) 13:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Geschichte, here are some examples:

  • "해남군청 육상팀 이두행 선수 2관왕" [Haenam County Office Track and Field Team Player Lee Du-haeng Wins Two Gold Medals] (in Korean).
  • "이두행, 男 마라톤 32위로 골인…장신권, 정진혁도 완주" [Lee Doo-haeng, Men's Marathon 32nd Place, Jang Shin-kwon, Jeong Jin-hyeok Also Finish] (in Korean).

  --Habst (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  None of those two articles are significant coverage Geschichte (talk) 20:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Geschichte, how are the articles not significant, especially when combined with the above two as WP:NBASIC prong 1 allows for? --Habst (talk) 14:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: Sources cited above seem ok, they are about this individual and are in RS. I think we have notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. The two cited sources above are routine event results with at most three sentences of (again, routine) secondary coverage. Nowhere close to GNG. The sources mentioned earlier are not SIGCOV enough to overcome the requirement for SUSTAINED coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Sources from multiple years apart are not sustained coverage? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

    Oh I misread the marathons as being the same. I'll reconsider. JoelleJay (talk) 18:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Ireland Eurovision Song Contest entries discography

Ireland Eurovision Song Contest entries discography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The discography and chart history of a nation's Eurovision entries has no relevance to the country's participation in Eurovision. Beyond the songs being Eurovision entries (which are already covered in more detail at Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest), how they charted in their country or elsewhere does not have an impact on the nation's participation history nor its success/placement at the contest. Grk1011 (talk) 14:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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UK Eurovision Song Contest entries discography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The basis of this deletion discussion is based in the following policies/guidelines:

• WP:GNG: The list lacks significant coverage in sources, with most supplied references being the chart positions themselves, with no added context. The article does not establish what grouping all of these songs and chart positions together is trying to prove, show, or discuss.
• WP:NOTSTATS: The list of one specific statistic about these Eurovision songs only shows how they fared on one specific country's music charts (not even at the contest itself); it lacks context or explanation.
• WP:LISTCRIT: The list is a synthesis of available information, compiled nowhere else in this level of detail other than on Wikipedia, for which the membership criteria remain somewhat unclear. The point of the article is just to identify a song's placing? To compare? Why only domestic charts? Why do other articles list the album they were on too? What text could be added to provide context without becoming WP:OR? How is this a "discography"?

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• Delete both per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 17:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. The information contained is relevant to the UK charts more so than the Eurovision itself, which is highly notable. It is also a useful guide to how successful the songs were in the real world. The information is well sourced, so I see no reason to delete. The UK article has been in existence for 13 years and receives regular edits, so obviously has a lot of interest. The nominator hasn't given any policy reasons for deletion other than he/she doesn't like it, it seems.Tuzapicabit (talk) 19:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Ireland Eurovision Song Contest entries discography. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the nominator's rationale but, as noted above, it doesn't appear to be based on a specific policy. Not one I'm familiar with at any rate. To my mind, the main applicable policy is WP:NLIST. Which would expect the list subject/members to be discussed as a group. And several sources, including those I found/added in my own BEFORE, appear to discuss the topic (performance of Irish Eurovision entries in the Irish singles chart) as a subject. And discuss the list members as a group. As expected by NLIST(?) Guliolopez (talk) 22:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Guliolopez:, @Tuzapicabit: I've now elaborated to identify some specific policies. Grk1011 (talk) 12:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Guliolopez: @Tuzapicabit: Are you able to provide updated feedback based on the policies now added? You asked for this, so I want to make sure you've seen it and had a chance to respond/refute. Thanks. Grk1011 (talk) 13:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete both. Given the policies quoted here, particularly WP:NOTSTATS and WP:LISTCRIT, I believe there is a strong case to be made that these lists do not qualify for inclusion on Wikipedia. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Deeside College

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Badly written, barely sourced promotional article about a college that ceased to exist in 2013. At best some elements could be transferred over to a history section in Coleg Cambria. If you look at this edit and compare the section headings with those in this wayback machine snapshot of the college's history, you will see that it is very likely that the content is straight copy/paste copyvio - even though the original content was not archived by wayback machine and is therefore likely lost. However, you can see 100% that the list of college principals is lifted word for word from the the college history page. The content is highly suspect and a proper analysis might show a drastic revdel is needed. Best option is just to go ahead and delete the article. 10mmsocket (talk) 21:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep, badly written is not a WP:DELREASON (WP:CONTN). It clearly has the history and can also be converted to a contemporary campus article. Dissolved colleges don't lose notability. Merging all the colleges into Coleg Cambria would be messy as it is a multi-campus merged college, and like merging all of Cambridge's colleges into Cambridge Uni. DankJae 21:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  Can you re-read my reasoning above as I just edited it. Sorry. 10mmsocket (talk) 21:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  Would WP:TNT apply? If it is specifically this version of the article needing deletion based on quality/copyvio issues, but the topic remains notable? Ideally needing a full re-write or re-do?

  I'd argue it is still notable, regardless of when it ceased, and while it may not be a separate college anymore, it operates a distinct campus and programme within Coleg Cambria. Always was on my to-do list to convert to a campus and history article. DankJae 22:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  Blow it up and start over would be wonderful. In fact I'd help you re-write it from scratch. 10mmsocket (talk) 22:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Conditional delete on the basis for re-write WP:TNT, but not on notability concerns (otherwise keep), oppose any merge. Del based on lots of potential copyvio revisions and mass unsourced content. Additionally, the article may be converted into the contemporary campus, meaning a re-write may have little resemblance with the current, as well as the sheer amount of review needed for the current unsourced content, so best TNT. Any links to the deleted article should be kept, in anticipation of a revival. Additionally lots of the content dates to a 2010 version (or before), so the sources may be harder to find today for that in-depth content and haven't been added for over a decade. However, still open to a keep and re-write, if there's agreement for the current version to be massively cut if not deleted. DankJae 22:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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• Comment TNT is an essay and not policy, but this may be an excellent case for using it anyway (and as IAR is policy, if that is an agreed outcome that improved the encyclopaedia, the fact it is an essay does not mitigate against its use). However, before !voting to delete with no prejudice against immediate recreation, could we sense check the notability? What reliable, independent and secondary sources cover the college from which the new article would be written? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Sirfurboy, here's some indepth ones on bits of its history, [2][3][4][5], as well as the main college source right now [6]. There are many news articles on various aspects of the college from the BBC at least, [7], and likely other news sites.[8] Likely some scattered/niche history around too, although the years passed have made it a bit harder to find.

  A re-written article may also combine the contemporary campus it is today post-merger, possibly renamed Coleg Cambria, Deeside? But nonetheless to avoid the copyvio issues and over-reliance on one source, won't necessarily be as long or in-depth as the article is now. But surely enough?

  Yes TNT is an essay, I also used one del reason, but recognise it isn't clear-cut. DankJae 01:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - per WP:TNT but allow recreation of an article without copyvio. However, that new article should probably be Coleg Cambria, Deeside, which would contain the history of Deeside College and its former names, Kelsterton College of technology and Flintshire Technology college. Usually when we cover a successor school or college, the article is named for the extant institution and contains the information of the previous institutions in its history. We would redirect the former names to the successor. If the editorial decision is to do it this way, then Deeside College should be recreated as a redirect to Coleg Cambria. But because of the copyvio, it should be deleted first.
  Looking at the sources from DankJae, the first two cover Deeside college under that name. Newspaper coverage needs some caution regarding whether coverage is secondary and independent, but that article seems to meet SIGCOV, and is arguably secondary. Independence is unknown. The Coflein source would be good enough under WP:NBUILD for the building, but not under NORG for the organisation. However it is indicative. The book, Further education in Wales, is not independent. The other book, Clwyd: Denbighshire and Flintshire, is independent and secondary. It would not meet WP:CORPDEPTH if we were being very strict about this. But, on balance, we have a range of sources over a long period, some significant coverage, and a college that has existed under several names for many years and with a building that is recognised in a national database. I believe this is enough to demonstrate notability for a combined article. Thanks to DankJae for finding the sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Meets WP:GNG. AfD is not cleanup and it clearly deserves to have an article under this title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Except if we keep it we have to revdel the whole thing. What exactly would we be keeping? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Currently 96.3% Copyvio? So what next? if kept. DankJae 19:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  Just reduce to a stub. Simple! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  OK but the answer is that we are not actually keeping anything. I don't see the benefit of keeping and revdelling to a stub over deletion with immediate re-creation under either this name of or as Coleg Cambria, Deeside. Except that if we do change the name to the current institution we would immediately have to start an RM for the empty stub. That would be a waste of time. So what we need to decide is whether the recreation has this name (its former name) or whether we should write about the successor institution, with its history of the former names (3 of them) contained in that article. If we do the latter, TNT is better for the encyclopaedia. If we choose the former name, I expect it is entirely within the gift of the closer as to which is chosen. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Ersel Göral

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BLP of a successful businessman who has had a career in airport management. Nothing here indicates notability. A draft also exists. Mccapra (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak keep: There seems to be some coverage in the Turkish media, sufficiently spread out in time, and can be considered above the WP:SIGCOV threshold: [9], [10], [11], [12], [13] TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 02:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Contra TheJoyfulTentmaker, these sources are routine coverage (often press release-based) of hiring or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of him in the context of significant coverage of an airport where he works. I don't see any evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Kurdistan Islamic Relations Movement

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Article about a very small political party that claims a few thousand members and has failed to get anyone elected to anything, securing 0.08% of the vote. Does not pass WP:NCORP. Mccapra (talk) 21:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Draft. Incomplete text, add more headlines, history, steps of the movement, UzbukUdash (talk) 04:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

There is no point in draftifying an article on a non-notable topic, because no amount of editing will make it ready for mainspace. The issue isn’t the lack of headlines or detail. Quite the reverse - as it stands there is a lot of detail about a non-notable topic. Mccapra (talk) 07:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. I don't get your pettyness, really. There is no clear rule on Wikipedia on the notability of political parties and there are literally countless examples of articles for parties of this extent on the encyclopedia, as I already argued on your talk page (but which you simply ignored; thanks for the "respectfulness" by the way). Anyways, if you can find a majority which supports the deletion of this article, I'd suggest making the text a subsection of the Kurdistan Islamic Movement, the party which the Kurdistan Islamic Relations Movement split from.--Ermanarich (talk) 12:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I responded politely to your message on my talk page. I just don't agree with you. Mccapra (talk) 13:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Lada Niva Vision

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A car that was never built. Does not seem capable of sustaining an article. Sourcing is just a bunch of "this car is coming" news articles which are substantially similar (and show up any time any car is announced), and then the cancellation. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak keep It's certainly noteworthy, mostly for not being built. This could well be merged to the Renault–Nissan Common Module Family#CMF-B LS section, but it shouldn't just be deleted. Any decision on this article would apply pretty much equally to the Lada Iskra too. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete WP:FUTURE, and certainly no indications of notability. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ldm1954: Please don't delete other people's comments on AfDs, even when they disagree with you. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Andy Dingley I did not delete your comment intentionally, I think there was an editing conflict -- if you look at the times we were editing at the same time. My apologies, I would never do that intentionally. Ldm1954 (talk) 16:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Leimakids

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Leimakids (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The one source cited in the article, Bane's book, only references Nancy Connor's Everything Classical Mythology Book, and looking at (maybe the wrong edition?) of this book, the only mention [14] of "Leimakids" is unsourced. Furthermore, I can't find any mention of "Leimakids" in any modern scholarly source, including pretty exhaustive works such as the DGRBM, Brill's New Pauly, and Pauly-Wissowa. As far as I can tell, there were no such nymphs as the "Leimakids" in Greek mythology; they are probably an invention of some recent source (perhaps Connor). – Michael Aurel (talk) 05:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: I am seeing a small number of hits from decent sources on Google Scholar. There's a passing mention to leimoniad nymphs here (I think -- I can't access it). Leimakid nymphs, meanwhile, seem to be mentioned in Silvestre de Balboa's Mirror of patience, so are mentioned in this chapter. Certainly not enough to warrant an article, as far as I can see. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  Checking the Oxford Classical Dictionary, the first source you've linked, the relevant quote is (at least in the edition I'm looking at): other nymphs were named after geographical features, such as the Leimoniads, nymphs of meadows, or the Acheloids, nymphs of the river Acheloiis. So it seems the "Leimoniads" (but not the "Leimakids" from what I can tell) do indeed have some basis in antiquity, as the OCD is a reliable source, though I am a little surprised I couldn't find mention of them in other reference works; the OCD also doesn't make very clear what its source for them is. To add to the obscurity, I've found a copy of Rigoglioso, the source Bane cites for the Leimoniads, and its list of nymphs, in which are mentioned Leimonides (nymphs of flowery meadows), is cited to this page on the quite often unreliable website Theoi.com. – Michael Aurel (talk) 09:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  My German is entirely dependent on Google Translate, and I did not go beyond the lead sentence, which seemed clear enough, but I believe the relevant article in PW is "Leimones". Quickly scanning through the text, I am not seeing any of the other forms mentioned here. But it looks as though we have variant forms of the same name, of which "Leimakids" may be modern(ish). Perhaps this article should be merged with other articles about nymphs, noting the various forms of the name. P Aculeius (talk) 10:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  I've added the reference to the nymph article, to which I suggest the current page should be redirected. But I haven't included the name Leimakid; if anyone else thinks there's a good scholarly source for that name, please do add it. (Are they perhaps just different languages' transliterations of the Greek? I've no idea -- I'm no classicist!) Josh Milburn (talk) 15:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) I think you could be right that this is related, though it's a little hard to tell. The relevant section from Philostratus [15] does mention nymphs, so perhaps this was misconstrued into what we have here? Whatever the case, I'm inclined to say that, sort of along the lines of your suggestion, since we do have a reliable source for the Leimoniads, Leimoniads should be redirected to Nymph, and then Leimakid maybe should be redirected to Mirror of patience? – Michael Aurel (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Leimakides are mentioned in that well-known classical text, the Orphic Argonautica (646). (LSJ entry). (archive.org has the book, but it's still not fully functional and the page won't load - for me at least).

This single reference hardly merits them having their own page. A note in the 'relations and notes' column for Leimonides on the Nymph page really seems like it should suffice. I have no opinion on whether Leimakid should point to Nymph or Mirror of Patience. Genuinely fascinated as to how Connor managed to find that reference, though. ~~ Endlesspumpkin (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Endlesspumpkin: Ah, the Orphic Argonautica – well spotted! I think this answers where these "Leimakids" come from. As the LSJ notes, λειμακίδες is the form which appears in David Ruhnken's edition, whereas Johann Gottfried Jakob Hermann has λιμναίων, and I notice Francis Vian (the most recent and reliable edition) follows manuscript Ω in having λιμνακίδων. Considering these forms, and Vian's translation (Nymphes des Marais), these seem to be marsh nymphs (perhaps an alternative spelling of "Limnad"?) who've here been muddled up with the Leimoniads. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I suppose we're technically into the realm of the verboten here – unless we can find some authority who has thought to comment upon this very specific matter – but your speculation seems entirely reasonable to me (perhaps you could shoot off a quick note to a journal, and in a couple of years we'll be able to cite it...). We could plonk them in their own row in the table, and in the notes column we can explain the source for both of these words and point the reader to the Limnad page for a 'similar' species. Were the Leimakids page not already here, it's the kind of thing I would rather pass over in silence – herding cats is both easier and more enjoyable that classifying nymphs. Endlesspumpkin (talk) 09:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Endlesspumpkin's solution sounds right to me. Josh Milburn (talk) 10:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. I would only add that the name given by Vian should be the one used in the table, outside of the note. – Michael Aurel (talk) 04:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Huber, Indiana

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Labelled as "Huber Sta." in old enough topos, it's a T intersection next to the tracks with nothing around until a motel shows up in the mid-1950s; later industrial sprawl catches up to it. No mention in the county history. I think this was just a wail spot. Mangoe (talk) 23:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Literally an intersection of two roads. Looks like this place isn't notable. GoldMiner24 ^Talk 06:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Stoxkart

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Sources given are not indication of notability: the first two are from the company itself, while the third repeats a company statement, and the last two are instances of its CEO being quoted in media for unrelated topics. Doing a quick WP:BEFORE, I can find more company announcements/press releases (thehindubusinessline.com, entrepreneur.com), and this article by techinasia.com which still quotes the company's statements to some extent but not as fully as the others. Still, not looking like it meets WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete fails NCORP/CORPDEPTH; sources are routine and promotional. Creator blocked for advertising.Chanel Dsouza (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

July 2023 Western Kentucky floods

July 2023 Western Kentucky floods (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Nominating my own article for deletion – miserably fails WP:NSUSTAINED. Only coverage of the event after the flooding receded was this article – but that really doesn't cover the entire extent of the event and really only deals with two farmers losing their crops as a result. That's about it. Not seeing any scholar articles on this specific event either (most deal with 2022 Appalachian floods, a separate flood that happened in the same state a year prior). As significant as this flood was, there is no significant coverage after the event ended. Not opposed to a merge to Floods in the United States (2000–present) too. ~ Tails Wx 22:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Mario Teqja

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Modest career with 8 games in Albania's highest league and several seasons in the semi-pro second tier. Some unsubstantiated reports about big-club scouting; I could not find a single piece of evidence for that. What I found during a WP:BEFORE was duplications of a transfer announcement [16] [17], a short and insignificant piece [18] and a piece about Erzeni's squad where Teqja is mentioned in passing [19]. Geschichte (talk) 22:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Beauty and the West Chamber

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Neither the English language article nor its Chinese equivalent have in depth coverage in independent sources. Sources may exist in Chinese but on current showing this title isn’t notable. Mccapra (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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DRS International School

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notabilty under GNG or SNG. There are zero independent references discussing the school, much less GNG references. The closet thing are two interviews of school managers. This appears to be a small franchise-type commercial/business operation. North8000 (talk) 22:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Kantipur Gurkhas

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Yet another article created for a Nepal Premier League team by editors ignoring the fact that these teams aren't notable enough for separate articles (there have been multiple AFDs for other NPL teams). No evidence this team is anywhere near passing WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Elliot Noss

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Fails WP:ANYBIO. Sources 1, 2, 3 cannot establish the subject's Notability. The 4th source is a YouTube link and the last source is a news coverage Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 22:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: I don't see notability for this internet person. Coverage I find is about him selling shares or doing other non-notable business things - in.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/tucows-ceo-elliot-noss-sells-over-28k-worth-of-company-stock-93CH-4443482, which is routine. That site is black listed, so not a RS at all. Oaktree b (talk) 00:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Electoral cycle of Turkey

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If this was cited I would suggest merging it into elections in Turkey but it has been tagged uncited for years maybe it should just be deleted as I think it is important for electoral info here to be correct in order to support the democratic process Chidgk1 (talk) 10:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge the unstated content to Elections in Turkey if reliable sources are found, if not, Redirect to Elections in Turkey. Completely unsourced, and I don't see the need for a separate page as most of the content is described in Elections in Turkey. Also, this page is the only "electoral cycle" page on the wiki, although the term is recognized in the Cambridge Dictionary. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Elections in Turkey. Mccapra (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

• My first comment would be Keep as the article gives a good visual timeline for the elections. If not, then the first section (Elections) can be merged with Elections in Turkey. The second section (Electoral cycle since 1923) gives a timeline view for the elections, which is visually nice to have in an article. We can change the second section to a Template like "Template:Turkish elections timeline", and include this template in the Elections in Turkey article with initially collapsed state. Joseph (talk) 20:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect per above, but Elections in Turkey#Schedule seems like a better target because it's more specific. I would not be opposed to merging any content that can be sourced. McYeee (talk) 22:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to the similar article Electoral system of Turkey. Chidgk1, maybe you should read, WP:NEXIST because i feel you confuse unsourcing articles with the no existence of sources. LefterDalaka (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Alaska Gold Rush (disambiguation)

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Not a valid dab page. None of the other entries (two other gold rushes in Alaska and a TV series titled Gold Rush: Alaska) qualifies. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep (slightly hesitantly, as from the wrong side of the pond): the other two gold rushes were both in Alaska and could reasonably be known by that name - see "Alaska Gold Rush: Topics in Chronicling America" from Library of Congress which includes Nome and Fairbanks. PamD 10:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Although I expect younger North American readers will be so used to fake news that they will assume that the Alaska Gold Rush was not in Alaska, and older readers will have been taught this at an early age, for people like me (as for PamD, America is a foreign country for me) it is surprising (even astonishing) to be taken to Canada. But thanks to the nominator for leading me to this fascinating article (and for significantly contributing to it). All I had known previously was from Charlie Chaplin's film. Before we delete this disambiguation page we should decide what to do for people who want to learn about some particular gold rush in or around Alaska. I think a disambiguation page is exactly what is needed. Thincat (talk) 12:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. The nom is right. Deal with any ambiguity (Nome Gold Rush and Fairbanks Gold Rush with a hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep for navigational purposes. It's entirely logical that somebody (especially somebody just learning about the subject) might type in "Alaska Gold Rush" and be looking for any of the three gold rushes. But there's also a 1972 book called The Alaska Gold Rush by David Wharton that I've found 5 different newspaper reviews for. Two of are a bit short, but the others are long enough for an WP:GNG pass. I'll write a stub on it tomorrow and add it to the dab page. There's another The Alaska Gold Rush book by May McNeer. I haven't checked for notability, but it could likely be created as a redirect to her page and would be worthy of mentioning in the current dab page. @Clarityfiend:, does my discovery help allay the concerns you have with the page in its current form? And @Shhhnotsoloud:, with this new information, does this change your mind about a hatnote being the best decision? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Reply. No. That only makes two legit entries, so a redirect hatnote will suffice. Gold rushes that happen to take place in Alaska simply don't qualify IMO. See for example Spanish River. Does it list rivers in Spain? No. Also, now that I think of it, the other two would be Alaskan gold rushes. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

  Well, if it helps, Wharton's book is about the Alaska Gold Rush in Fairbanks - but in the title of the book, he very stubbornly calls it the Alaska Gold Rush. So we've got a full length book, plus a dozen or so reviews/blurbs, all calling the Fairbanks Gold Rush the Alaska Gold Rush. They didn't even have the decency to call it the Alaskan Gold Rush, no matter how much more logical that would be. But all that aside, does the existence of a full-length non-fiction book using the name change your opinion? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 11:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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Karak Oil Refinery

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Construction never really started. Based on couple of news reports. Looks like a case of TOOSOON. Article is also GNG tagged. Wikibear47 (talk) 08:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Draftify or merge to the parent, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Oil & Gas Company per WP:ATD. It is definitely a notable topic with a lot of media coverage but as of now the project is still a proposed project. I personally think we should keep it in draftspace and once the construction starts we can move it back to mainspace. 2A01:E0A:274:4420:E553:3AB4:B5BC:EBCA (talk) 16:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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Bulent Tekmen

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WP:PROMO biography of non-notable businessman created by a sock farm. Sources fail WP:BIO and WP:GNG; they are all a mix of WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or affiliated/non-independent sources like WP:PRSOURCE and official bios. Nothing else useful found in WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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List of songs based on a film

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Same issues as with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs that retell a work of literature, but that one at least has references - here we have nothing. Just OR trivia, with most songs here not even seemingly notable (not blue linked). Fails WP:NLIST and WP:V. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment In some of these, I wonder if the directionality is backwards or indeterminate. Purple Rain is from the soundtrack to the film, so which came first? Jclemens (talk) 09:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  Addressed; see page. As for Purple Rain (the song), it was written before but was obviously used in the film, and is therefore out of the present list. Feel free to create List of films based on songs, though. I'd be happy to help. A lot of very reliable sources exist on the topic. And I do mean a lot. The category exists. Feel free to add it to Purple Rain (the film). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - This article dates way back 2006, the dark ages of WP when it was fun to create lists of geek trivia. An article of this title may have some encyclopedic value if it had references to serious movie/music histories, but here we just have a bunch of original research and fixing it would be a TNT waste of volunteer resources. I second the previous commenter's point as well, because some songs here are soundtrack entries described incorrectly as being "about" the associated film. From personal knowledge I can also say that several songs here, especially those by metal bands, are actually inspired by books that were themselves adapted into films. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  Can you have a look? I’ve added and removed a few things. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I acknowledge the work that has been done on the article after the nomination and after my vote, but I am sticking with my reasoning. There are still many soundtrack songs incorrectly described as being "based on" the film. I also remain unconvinced that this isn't all original research because the various songs listed could be literally about a film, could be a tribute to a film (which is the case for many of the metal songs), could simply namedrop a film's title as a cultural reference, or could satirize a film (e.g. Weird Al's "Ode to a Superhero"). The entire premise of this list article simply falls apart because it can't stick with "based on". Also, I agree with a comment below about many of the found sources being opinion-based listcicles, though that is not true for all of them. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - Even if this was a topic that passed the WP:GNG or WP:NLIST, the article is completely unsourced, comprised entirely of WP:OR, and, as pointed out already, is filled with flat out incorrect information. Rorshacma (talk) 15:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  i’ve started cleaning up and sourcing. Let me know if that looks better to you. It still can be much better. Only went trough the 1st half. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: (and a STRONG keep). WP:NLIST indicates that lists can be kept if coverage about their subject as a set exists. It is obviously the case here. Even a cursory check can provide sources that prove that.... https://screencrush.com/songs-inspired-by-movies/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/2021/07/26/25-songs-inspired-by-movies/ https://collider.com/best-songs-inspired-by-movies/ etc, etc, ETC. Cleanup the page, add references, refine inclusion criteria, etc, sure but deletion, no. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - The issue is that any type of list or article on this topic based on sources would essentially need to be created from scratch. The current list was created without the use of any sources, making it entirely WP:OR and is rife with errors and dubious entries. I very rarely ever reference this essay in AFDs, but in this case I agree with doomsdayer520 that this is a TNT situation - cleanup would essentially mean starting over. Rorshacma (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, maybe. But that is not a reason to delete the page, in my opinion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  So how do you suggest we improve it? Ideally, someone would rewrite it now, but if nobody steps up, are we supposed to keep this mess? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  We don't keep mess, we keep pages. And Mushy Yank steps up and improves them. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  @PiotrusWhat do you think of its current state? It takes a lot of time, so not finished. I might finish later if I have time and courage. and I know it’s not yet ready for GA, don’t worry, :D. A table with dates (song/film)/album title would be nice. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Mushy Yank I am a bit busy ATM, feel free to treat my current vote as having changed delete to draftify. I am still concerned this is too much a trivia listicle, but it if it kept, it's ok-ish. It is a much better listicle than most others I've seen. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:TNT and WP:OR. There might be a hypothetical notable article with a slightly different scope, but there would be no reliable statements to WP:PRESERVE. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  Added/removed things; tell me if you think it’s better, please. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per WP:HEY being in progress. I believe this topic fullfills WP:NLIST and the issues can be solved editorially. Thanks to the start in improving done by Mushy Yank there is now something to preserve and WP:TNT is no longer applicable. If concerns on erroneous information remain, unreferenced material can be removed. Ideally, the available secondary sources are used first to check out what can be referenced. But the sources available and already in place show that this is a feasible list with quite a number of possible entries. Daranios (talk) 16:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as the article has been significantly improved since nomination including the addition of 13 references such as reliable newspapers, websites, and books with others being added so that WP:NLIST is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Indiscriminate list with no obvious utility, especially since many of the songs were literally created FOR the film in question. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm and Pokelego999: since many of the songs were literally created FOR the film in question If you read what's been written above you'll see that this is an error which is fixable and currently in the process of being fixed. So WP:BATHWATER would apply. Daranios (talk) 16:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Other issues are still standing, such as a lack of a discernible scope and a lack of coverage of this topic area. Even if one issue is being fixed, there are many more insurmountable problems that are unlikely to be resolved that hinder this article from being notable and a viable list. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

What problems? The article does not need to be notable, its subject must be considered so per consensus. But maybe that is what you mean. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

As for scope and coverage see page and below. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 03:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete there is no significant coverage analyzing the topic of songs based on a film as a whole. It's an INDISCRIMINATE list otherwise with an unclear scope of what should be included (Especially per Zx, as many songs were made for the film and not based on them per se). I don't see much of a need for this list in any degree. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Define indiscriminate. See page. See sources with list (a set). Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/best-songs-inspired-by-movies-bowie-dylan-clash/ Read intro. Read intro of other articles. Coverage about the topic as a whole regarding respective subgenres metal/horror, or Dylan, etc exists. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

My problem is that every source brought up is just a listicle. There's no significant analysis in these nor is there any without the listicles. It's the same thing as citing "Top Ten Supervillains That Use Lasers" and attempting to build an article around five to ten of those kinds of sources. It might provide some decent coverage for a specific list entry, but not for the subject as a whole, which is what's needed to establish subject notability. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 03:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep There's a probably a majority here that have good sources. And WP:NLIST says "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set", meaning that there could be other reasons. Well, if a topic is covered by a tabloid sources as a group but also individual cases are frequently mentioned by better sources, then that's good enough for me. Wizmut (talk) 22:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Battle of Khatu Shyamji

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The article is not fulfilling WP:GNG. It is based on single source and also a very insignificant event with not much content to write has been converted into an article.It should be deleted and content, if any found relevant should be merged into something related to List of battles in Rajasthan.Admantine123 (talk) 01:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge - should be merged to article such as List of battles in Rajasthan as said above by the nominator because it is not such notable battle in Rajasthan to have an standalone page. TheSlumPanda (talk) 13:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to List of battles in Rajasthan. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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Fand Mons

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No notability, the only reliable source besides the one in the article is the Gazetteer of Planetary Nomenclature, that just says that its name is officially recognized by IAU, with no information about the mountain itself. Artem.G (talk) 20:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to List of montes on Venus. Praemonitus (talk) 20:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 07:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Sam Sather

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this low-level college football player (NAIA) to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan

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Per Talk:World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan#Requested move 29 October 2024, concerns were brought up regarding the notability of this topic in sources, specifically such a way to make it notable and not violate WP:NOTNEWS. In addition, trying to find an "official" name for this topic seemed to provide no results, and the claim that this is the "world's largest" without "in Afghanistan" was apparently disproven 2 years after the creation of this article's subject [20]. In a nutshell, there seems to be no references to illustrate that the subject of this article had encyclopedic notability that can withstand WP:GNG. Steel1943 (talk) 19:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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@Myceteae: Ping participant of the move request. Steel1943 (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak support for deletion. I was the sole participant in the aforementioned RM discussion, besides the nominator, Steel1943. Our discussion reached a dead end due to a lack of ongoing coverage in English language sources establishing an appropriateWP:COMMONNAME or official name. Some English language sources revealed new record holder's for "world's largest [handmade] Quran," thus calling into question variations on the current descriptive title. Additionally, there are no Wikipedia articles in other languages for this topic. All of this raised the question of notability and led Steel1943 and I to pursue this AfD discussion. I would defer to other editors on the ultimate decision. I'm not familiar enough with the topic and related subject area to conclusively determine whether appropriate sources, in English or not, exist to establish notability.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Preston Parks

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After conducting WP:BEFORE, I fail to see how this article is notable. I was unable to find any reliable information on this person other than he was an faithless elector in 1948, even then the sources are quite dubious. In addition, this article was created in 2008 and has hardly changed at all since, so I believe this is a forever stub. In my opinion, this is at the very least WP:SINGLEEVENT. TheBritinator (talk) 19:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to 1948 United States presidential election#Faithless Elector Controversy, a section I just made about what he did. I don't think he qualifies for his own article about himself per WP:1E which states "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." The 1948 election was significant, but his role was defintely not a large one (like it didn't change anything + it's just one vote out of 450). MolecularPilot 01:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed. TheBritinator (talk) 07:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• I agree with the redirect.--Mpen320 (talk) 05:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Wanderlust (American band)

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Shows no signs of notability. Found this article in Billboard, but nothing else. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. There's also an AllMusic review ([21]) and a very short Goldmine (magazine) review ([22]), but that's not enough to establish notability. toweli (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak delete: The article given in the comment/nom above and this [23] are trivial coverage. I just don't find enough we can use to show notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 19:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep. The band also released All A View in 2021, which gained significant coverage [24] and a review [25] in American Songwriter, a review in Audiophile Review [26] and some other reviews of varying gravitas: [27] [28]. Geschichte (talk) 20:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

2025–2026 U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq

2025–2026 U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Pretty much just a hypothetical. It got a little coverage a month ago and nothing since. The U.S. government hasn't officially announced anything. Esolo5002 (talk) 18:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: This is one of the craziest cases of WP:CRYSTAL I've ever seen. EF⁵ 19:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete CRYSTAL and the creator does realize it wouldn't be decided until well after Election Day, I hope? Nate • (chatter) 21:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per all of the above. Left guide (talk) 01:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Sebastian Dunn

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This BLP has only one source and I haven't been able to find anything Signicant. The best thing I've found is [29] which isn't great Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. I read both of the relevant Google hits, one of which says that his character was one of the "major villains" in Arrow, but he was only in season 1 (mostly in flashbacks) except for 1 episode in season 8. The other source says that he apparently stopped acting after his last Arrow appearance. Neither has significant coverage of the actor, and I don't see any reviews of his performances. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  just to clafiy something here for potential closers, flashes backs are heavily used in Arrow in season 1 they are arguably more used then the modern day events. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Kirby Puckett's 1991 World Series home run

Kirby Puckett's 1991 World Series home run (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Nothing contained here can't also be contained at 1991 World Series, Kirby Puckett, and other relevant pages, or cut as cruft, like the announcer calls. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to 1991 World Series#Game 6 per nom. This home run can be summarized within the game summary. Frank Anchor 18:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Redirect per Frank Anchor, seems like a fine target. Conyo14 (talk) 06:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Just for the record, this article was already nominated for deletion once, and the consensus was to keep it. And that was well over two years ago (back in June 2022 to be precise). BornonJune8 (talk) 6:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect as suggested above. Kablammo (talk) 12:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

David Freese's 2011 World Series home run

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This is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Nothing contained here can't also be contained at 2011 World Series, David Freese, 2011 St. Louis Cardinals season, 2011 Texas Rangers season, and 2011 Major League Baseball postseason. Some items, like about Albert Pujols, have no relevance to the subject of this article. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Just for the record, this article was already nominated for deletion once, and the consensus was to keep it. And that was well over two years ago (back in June 2022 to be precise). BornonJune8 (talk) 6:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2011 World Series#Game 6. Anything extra can be covered there. Conyo14 (talk) 06:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Mattin

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, and the external links in the article don't help establish notability (as they're either Mattin's website or interviews). Interestingly, the article was created by User:Mattata, whose only mainspace edits involve creating this article. toweli (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: There is some coverage in The Wire, albeit paywalled. From the magazine's index, issue 267 (2006) looks to have the most coverage of the subject. More recently, there was a book review a year ago, in issue 476. AllyD (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Supreme leader

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Dicdef. No evidence that this term was scholarly discussed anywhere. There do exist several cases when the term was used as a formal title, Supreme Leader (disambiguation), but each of them has their own article and no sources for this "ummrella" article. Therefore I suggest to REPLACE it with Supreme Leader (disambiguation), i.e., to make it a disambig page. Also, ho referemces for 95% of the listed persons that they were called "supreme leader". --Altenmann >talk 17:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Frontier Airlines Flight 1326

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Per WP:NOTABILITY and WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE non notable run of the mill gear fire incident, almost zero notable damage to the aircraft or no signs of the aircraft being important at all. Lolzer3k 17:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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  Please tag me in the below discussion so i can get the quickest response out to you ASAP. Lolzer3k 17:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• redirect to Airbus_A320_family#Accidents_and_incidents, where it must be summarized. nonnotable accident with no sustained consequences.(another possible redirect target is Frontier_Airlines#Accidents_and_incidents, but IMO such things belong primarily to technology, rather than to business.) --Altenmann >talk 17:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• delete - not particularly convinced this even requires a mention in the encyclopedia on any page. This is such a non consequential incident it should simply be deleted. Maungapohatu (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• redirect I think Lolzer3k has the right idea, personally. Ryan shell (talk) 23:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Kurdish mafia

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The article sources don't verify that a "Kurdish mafia" exists. Yes, across history some Kurds have been involved in organized crime but the article wrongly suggests that there is a connection between these criminal groups that does not exist in the cited sources (or others I can find). (t · c) buidhe 17:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• keep the term is readily found even in the US govt. reports. Today the term "mafia" has become generalized to denote any larger-scale organized crime, nit necessarily tightly knit. --Altenmann >talk 17:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Just because there is a term in use, does not mean there is an encyclopedic topic. What this article does is gather together crimes whose only commonality is (not sources that connect them—most of the sources don't mention "Kurdish mafia" at all, and would need to be removed in any case per wp:nor), but the fact of being committed by people of the same ethnic group. If this were permissible encyclopedically, we would be like Breitbart and have an article on "black crime" where various offenses committed by African Americans are listed. Instead, this term redirects appropriately to Race and crime in the United States, which is an encyclopedic topic. (t · c) buidhe 02:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: an easy Google search reveals that dozens of sources mention the Kurdish mafia. Perhaps the presence of some books (cites) in the relevant article may not be correct, but in the end, there are many quotations that directly and/or indirectly address this issue. I am in favour of keeping the article, provided that content unrelated to the 'Kurdish mafia' is removed. Acratopotes (talk) 11:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

XW10508

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No significant coverage in independent sources. This article cites three databases and a press release. My BEFORE search only found more of the same. A PROD was disputed by Graeme Bartlett, who argues that [30] contains independent coverage. This report from a market research firm is neither significant coverage nor independent: The subject is mentioned only one time, as an example of a new resistant depression drug, within a paragraph that copies its description of the subject straight from a press release [31]. Thus, I believe there is still no coverage that is either independent or significant, so the subject is not notable. Toadspike [Talk] 16:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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The only paragraph of the source cited by Graeme to mention the subject is:

Growing development of novel therapeutics used for the treatment of resistant depression by market players to launch their novel products is anticipated to boost the market growth during the forecast period. For instance, XWPharma Ltd. announced dosing of subjects in its first-in-human study evaluating XW10508 in September 2021. It is the company’s novel, patented, glutamatergic NMDA antagonist and AMPA activator in development as an oral, once-daily therapy used to treat treatment-resistant depression and chronic pain. Thus, this factor significantly increases the market growth. (emphasis mine)

The press release describes the subject as:

XWPharma Ltd. today announced dosing of subjects in its first-in-human study evaluating XW10508, the Company’s novel, patented, glutamatergic NMDA antagonist and AMPA activator in development as an oral, once-daily therapy for the treatment of treatment-resistant depression and chronic pain. (emphasis also mine)

The parts I have bolded are copied word-for-word. This should make clear that the source Graeme linked cannot be considered independent. Toadspike [Talk] 16:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep this is a drug that is undergoing a clinical trial which has been formally registered, so there will be publications coming out on it. It is important for us to have information bout substances including drugs, particularly those that have applications. There is a good chance that the drug will be abandoned, and I would like to see information on exactly what it is disclosed. Presumably thi is kept a trade secret at the moment to stop copycats. With chemicals I would ask for deletion if the substance is hypothetical, but not so in this case, just we don't know the structure yet. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  I would withdraw this nomination if someone found more sources. There will be publications, when the sources we do have say both that the trial is complete and that there haven't been updates in years [32], is a hard pill to swallow. I fully agree that There is a good chance that the drug will be abandoned, which is why I'm so skeptical about this subject's notability. Toadspike [Talk] 23:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Just want to note that abandoned pharmaceutical drugs can still be notable. Especially if we consider in-development drugs to be notable (is notability suddenly lost once the drug is abandoned?). Also see my comment below re: the claim that the source is contradicting itself and thus seemingly unreliable—this isn't actually the case. – 76.174.0.57 (talk) 00:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Not because the XW10508 page itself is especially important. But because of the precedent it would set for Wikipedia drug content generally. Wikipedia:Notability (chemicals) is only a proposed policy, but has existed for about 5 years now. It's relevant here and it's the closest guideline I know of that's applicable. I'm not aware of there being any specific notability guidelines for drugs or medications. Wikipedia:Notability (chemicals) says the following:

While databases such as PubChem and ChemSpider are technically tertiary sources containing entries for millions of chemical compounds, these entries are considered trivial (and not notable) if no properties are given beyond the bare basics for an entry (name, structure, formula, database numbers, and computed properties). To be notable, the entry should have at least some property given, such as melting/boiling point, solubility, description of uses, etc.

AdisInsight (by Springer) and Synapse (by PatSnap), which are cited in the XW10508 page, are comprehensive and independent online indexes of all of the drugs that are in formal pharmaceutical development. They provide information well beyond simple chemical properties or database numbers. Here are the pages in the case of XW10508: AdisInsight and Synapse. These pages provide information including the drug's mechanisms of action, classes, pharmaceutical developers, medical indications it's being developed or used for, route of administration, developmental history and phase, and current clinical trials. Moreover, AdisInsight pages are not simple database entries; they are actually comprehensive narrative reviews. Most viewers just can't see that content because it's paywalled (and can be purchased $50 per article without a subscription). But whenever a new drug is approved, the AdisInsight report is published as a literature review (notably meeting WP:MEDRS criteria) in the peer-reviewed journal Drugs with the article title of format "[Drug name]: First Approval". See here for a long list of such publications.

Based on the above, XW10508 and similar drug pages citing AdisInsight and/or Synapse are notable and can be considered adequately sourced. Hence, I agree with Graeme Bartlett that XW10508 should not be deleted. Also pinging SafariScribe, as they approved the page at WP:AfC and, per the above, there is good substantiation for such approvals. Thank you. – 76.174.0.57 (talk) 22:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I was surprised to discover that I have access to AdisInsight. You are correct that some information is presented in a narrative format. However, that page cites the same press release I took issue with above and includes almost nothing that is not in the press release. It also contradicts itself, saying that Phase I trials were completed in 2022, but also saying that there has been "No development reported" in the Phase I trials as of August 2024. None of this gives me confidence that this source is reliable.

Within the framework of the failed proposal you cite above, I do not think the very limited information we have qualifies as beyond the bare basics for an entry for a proposed drug. And it looks like Graeme Barlett opposes the very sentence you cite. [33] Toadspike [Talk] 23:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

You have access to AdisInsight? Jealous! I only have access to the public page info and Google search snippets. It's nice that they publish the reports in the literature once the drugs are approved at least, since those are more readily accessible.

AdisInsight is a secondary/tertiary source, like literature reviews and encyclopedia entries. Published literature reviews on drugs currently in development frequently cite the same kinds of sources that AdisInsight does for their information (e.g., press releases, as well as pharma company websites). I see this all the time. Sources describing in-development pharmaceutical drugs have to get their information from somewhere and are only able to cite whatever limited public information is available. As far as I know, the main source of that information is the pharmaceutical companies themselves (and perhaps clinical trial registers like clinicaltrials.gov). I don't see basic drug development information provided by press releases/pharma companies and filtered through secondary/tertiary sources as being unacceptable in its reliability. Clinical drug effectiveness and tolerability claims on the other hand would be a different matter (per WP:MEDRS).

The AdisInsight page actually doesn't contradict itself. "No development reported" really means "No recent development reported". It's their way of saying that there was reported development previously but the pharma company hasn't given any updates in a while and the drug may have been abandoned. I regularly see "no development reported" even for phase 2 or phase 3 drugs. Pharma companies themselves frequently don't publicly announce that they've terminated development of a given drug, so inference is often necessary here. I am personally confident that AdisInsight pages are reliable sources of information and have many years of experience with them. To reiterate, AdisInsight is a Springer project and the reports are published in the peer-reviewed literature once drug approval occurs, which I think bolsters their credibility.

I agree with Graeme Bartlett that PubChem/ChemSpider database entries on their own should not establish notability. There are millions of chemical entries in those databases and the vast majority of those would and should not be notable for Wikipedia. But AdisInsight and Synapse pages are for in-development pharmaceutical drugs, which are of course far more notable. And the information provided by AdisInsight is much more substantial than the simple chemical information in chemical databases.

No need for charged language. I disagree that my proposal is failed and I stand by it. Thank you. – 76.174.0.57 (talk) 00:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for getting a bit worked up. To clarify, do you mean that two years of no updates mean the drug is abandoned, or that it could still be worked on? Toadspike [Talk] 00:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

No worries. Yes, the drug could still be being worked on. It's not uncommon for pharmaceutical drugs to sit in a given phase for a long time e.g. while the pharma company looks for funding that can allow them to develop it further. And 2 years actually isn't that long in drug development terms. No recent development reported really just means that we don't know if it's still being worked on—it may or may not be—unless or until the pharma company gives further updates. At a certain point though, like 5 years, you can assume with reasonable confidence that the drug is likely abandoned. – 76.174.0.57 (talk) 03:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, thank you for telling me that I might have institutional access to AdisInsight. If you would like, I can add excerpts from it (or perhaps the whole thing) here tomorrow, it's not very long. Toadspike [Talk] 00:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing. And that would be awesome! Thank you. – 76.174.0.57 (talk) 03:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

AdisInsight's Development Overview, which is the prose portion of that page:

Introduction: XW 10508 is a orally bioavailable, once-daily glutamatergic N-methyl D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor antagonist and α-amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-4-isoxazolepropionic acid receptor (AMPA) activator being developed by XWPharma (formerly XW Laboratories) for the treatment of chronic pain and major depressive disorder (MDD). XW10508 is derived from esketamine, designed for extended release. Clinical development is underway in Australia. Glutamate and its receptor subtypes, N-methyl-D-aspartic acid (NMDA) receptor and α-amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-4-isoxazolepropionic acid (AMPA) receptor, have been found to be involved in the occurrence and development of chronic pain and depression. In September 2020, XW Laboratories changed its name to XWPharma [1]. As at August 2024, no recent reports of development had been identified for phase-I development in Major depressive disorder (In volunteers) in Australia (PO, Immediate release), Australia (PO, Controlled release), phase-I development in Pain (In volunteers) in Australia (PO, Immediate release), Australia (PO, Controlled release).

Key Development Milestones: In June 2022, XWPharma completed a phase I trial to evaluate the safety, tolerability and pharmacokinetics of immediate and modified release capsule and tablet formulations of XW 10508 in healthy adults (XW10508-101; NCT04966832). The randomised, double-blind trial was initiated in July 2021, and enrolled 84 volunteers in Australia [2]. In September 2021, company announced dosing of subjects in the trial [3].

Financing information: In September 2020, XWPharma announced it completed a $US40 million Series C financing. XWPharma expects to use proceeds from the financing to advance clinical development of XW10172 [see Adisinsight drug profile 800051495]and XW10508 [1].

The three footnotes are [34][35][36]. 1 and 3 are press releases. 2 is the Phase I trial, which it says was completed on 02 Nov 2022 (the medication's page gives a different date of 13 Jun 2022). If someone can find the results of this trial that'd be awesome. Currently I'm not seeing any, and there are no reports of a Phase II trial starting, which makes me think the drug was abandoned.

On sigcov: The above prose is fairly long, but I am still bothered that (1) a lot of it is sourced from press releases, which we never count towards the GNG for independence/reliability reasons, and (2) a good portion of it is background info about glutamate receptors, which I wouldn't count as coverage of this drug. Strip that away and we're left with almost nothing, let alone the several sources the GNG asks for. Toadspike [Talk] 12:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Electric Nebraska

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This article, separated from Nebraska, gives the impression that the album was an actual record that was shelved and is sitting in the vault, which is not the case. Springsteen felt these recordings, which were the Nebraska songs in "electric" renditions with the E Street Band, did not capture the mood and feelings of his initial demos, which became Nebraska. I am currently rewriting the Nebraska article in my sandbox and there's only one paragraph on the "electric" version. Yes, there are quite a few sources that cover the "electric" recordings, but these renditions will be covered in the new expansion, and are already partially covered in Born in the U.S.A.. They do not warrant their own article, especially in its current state, which gives the impression that they were considered for release in 1982. (Springsteen, very briefly, considered combining the acoustic and electric stuff in a double album but decided to release the acoustic ones on their own to give them "greater stature".) – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 16:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep for now—Zmbro, you really love your massive rewrites and wholesale publishing overrides of Bowie and Springsteen album articles, instead of choosing the collaborative method of making smaller or shorter edits, allowing stuff to breathe, and having other editors weigh in. This is the second AfD that I can recall where part of your rationale seems to be "I'm rewriting this" or "I intend to rewrite this"—you seem to often just skirt OWNERSHIP issues with these DB and BS articles. I read the Hyden book when it came out, and confess that I forget how many pages he spent discussing the electric sessions (and the Marsh and Heylin books were years ago). But at the risk of turning this into a general comment, you may want to reevaluate your editing mindset... Cheers. Caro7200 (talk) 17:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Merge to Nebraska (album): coverage is minimal, scope is limited, target article already has a significant amount of information on this and plenty of room for more. Zmbro's draft/future edits to the page should be outside the scope of this AfD, and I have no opinion on them. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to Nebraska (album) - I have no idea why it's necessary to rewrite that entire album article, which has been honed over many years by dozens of competent editors. But for Electric Nebraska I agree with the previous voter. There are only fan rumors that this collection of songs may someday be released as a distinct album, and an album article in WP should be based on a distinct item for current or near-future purchase, or a fully prepared album that was totally cancelled. Here we have session recordings that didn't make it to the album, just like outtakes and leftovers that occur at any recording session. The saga can be covered adequately at the main album article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Yab Moung Records

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Semi-advertorialized article about a record label, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for record labels. As always, record labels are not automatically notable just for existing, and have to be shown to pass WP:CORP criteria -- but except for a couple of reliable source hits that briefly glance off the record label's existence while being principally about the overall music scene in Cambodia, which aren't substantive enough to pass NCORP but don't add up to enough to claim that it would earn any sort of "a high enough volume of shorter sources can still satisfy GNG" pass, this is otherwise referenced entirely to primary and unreliable sources that aren't support for notability, such as YouTube videos and blogs and Bandcamp and its own self-published content about itself.
As it may have better sourcing in Khmer that I'm not linguistically equipped to find, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody who can read Khmer is able to find more coverage in that language than I've found in English, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to have better sources than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hykeham

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This article began as a redirect to provide a destination for a railway station that was otherwise red-linked, but is actually in North Hykeham. The article attempts to link North Hykeham and South Hykeham (a non-notable area of a couple of country lanes) into one entity that doesn't really exist, merely because they share part of a name and are adjacent. There is really no need for this article, which is basically nothing more than a disambiguation between one notable article (North Hykeham) and an article that doesn't exist about the non-notable South Hykeham Elemimele (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I apologise, South Hykeham does exist. I still think we don't need Hykeham as it's really a dab masquerading as an article, so I'll let this AfD stand. Elemimele (talk) 15:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep this seems useful as a WP:BROADCONCEPT page covering the villages of North and South Hykeham as well as the railway station that links them together. Clearly there needs to be something at this page, and what's there now seems as good as any, although it could do with a few references. Alternatively just have a disambiguation page, but we shouldn't delete.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  I forgot to say: if you check the map you'll find that Hykeham station is at the North end of North Hykeham, not particularly close to South Hykeham. The station actually serves various non-Hykeham electoral wards of Lincoln, and is closer to them than it is to the village of South Hykeham. North Hykeham is contiguous with suburbs of Lincoln, but distinct from South Hykeham. Here's a map that sums it up: [37]. I'd argue that we don't need a dab page when there are only two entries to disambiguate; hat-notes are more appropriate. Elemimele (talk) 17:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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European Watch Company

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The company is not notable (NCORP) the sources are paid and of bad quality not being reliable and independent with deep coverage of the company; 25lucky (talk) 15:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Digis (compаny)

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Previously deleted as G5 created page; not notable. 25lucky (talk) 15:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Tim Myers (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 07:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• There's significant coverage here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - @Alexeyevitch:, @GiantSnowman:, @BeanieFan11:, I found [38], [39], and [40] among more sources. Clearly signficant player in NZ local football who won OFC Champions League, five league titles and played for the NZ national and olympic team. Article needs improvement not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  First source is decent, second one too broad, third one inaccessible. GiantSnowman 21:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Keep. I can't read Das osmnezz's ProQuest link, but the first one is sigcov (as pointed out above), and, by looking through ProQuest myself, I located this which is arguably sigcov as well. For a New Zealand international and Olympian, this should probably be sufficient. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  That source is also inaccessible. GiantSnowman 21:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  Copied from the source: ANY PLANS Tim Myers and his soccer-mad mates might have had for these school holidays went on hold early last month. Against the odds, the Myers-led Soccer 2 team beat Australian champions FC Melbourne 2-1 on an outer field at North Harbour Stadium, and with it won the chance to lace their boots at the Manchester United Premier Cup tournament in Hong Kong. The under-15 team ... leaves tomorrow on the trip of their lives. As captain, Myers has the honour of leading the team, who include two of his Auckland Grammar schoolmates, into the unknown ... Since being selected for Soccer 2 this year when he was juggling cricket and soccer, Myers has been aware of the big prize, but admits he and his team-mates did not carry any great expectations into the game against Melbourne. When Soccer 2 fell a goal behind after 20 minutes to an Australian team so confident of success that they did not turn up until the day before the game, he was not too surprised, but said he and the rest did not give up ... Myers, a defender who first kicked a ball as a five-year-old at the Eastern Suburbs club where he continues to play, is under no illusions as he prepares for the 10-day trip, which will include, realistically, four pool games, but not much else... BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep I think the two NZ Herald articles clearly exceeds the notability requirements for WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG.

FYI anyone can access Proquest content via the Wikipedia Library if you have enough edits to your name. An inaccessible source is still a source. However the proquest links above appear to just be the NZ Herald sources already in the article.

He is also mentioned here as replacing another injured player in a world cup qualifying game, with the coach saying, "Tim is another promising young player from the ASB Premiership. He's part of the Olympic team and he'll do the shirt proud if called upon during this tournament." David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 02:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak Delete: The new sources do not provide WP:SIGCOV, just a couple of sentences about the subject. The only source I see that passes WP:GNG is the New Zealand Herald, and although he is featured in more than one article there, it will count as only one source unfortunately. DesiMoore (talk) 15:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Ajay Pal Lamba

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The sources in the article, at least the ones in English (and most of them are in English!), talk about Lamdas arrest of a notorious rapist. A WP:BEFORE revealed more of the same plus social media accounts. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 14:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hykeham Memorial

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Hykeham Memorial is not a place, certainly not a "suburb". It is a ward for elections to North Hykeham Town Council. There is nothing more to say about it, although some demographic statistics exist. It is not notable. (The one mildly interesting thing about it might have been an explanation of its name, as the North Hykeham Memorial Hall is within the ward and presumably gave it the name, but this has not been included.Perhaps the mentions of the Memorial Hall and park in the North Hykeham article could be enhanced with a "(which gives its name to Memorial ward)", but that's all that's needed.)

I note that North Hykeham#Governance does not mention the individual wards, and suggest that a list of wards there would be more appropriate than this article and others, for wards which have no existence except as lines on a map to define, for now, the electorate for lowest-level local elections. Hykeham Memorial is not notable, and Wikipedia does not need this article. PamD 14:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment while we're at it, what's with Hykeham, an utterly pointless "article" that began as an attempt to avoid a railway station from being a red-link, and now attempts to join the substantial urban area of North Hykeham with a couple of country lanes on a map that are south of it and identified as South Hykeham, but really have nothing much in common apart from being adjacent. The railway station that engendered Hykeham is nowhere near South Hykeham and should better have been redirected to North Hykeham. Elemimele (talk) 15:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Apologies to the residents of South Hykeham, which does indeed exist. I have nominated Hykeham for AfD as an unnecessary dab with only two targets, unhelpful to readers. As for Hykeham Memorial, I personally see no value in articles covering the demographics of this low level of electoral region, but I defer to those who enjoy such things. Elemimele (talk) 15:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete We have no need for articles about wards of parishes and it is not a good use of anybody's time to be creating them. Rcsprinter123 (orate) 22:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Adventure Ocean

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No sources since 2009. Reads mostly like an advertisement for this product. Sources appear to be either directly from the company or advertorial. Smallangryplanet (talk) 14:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Longwood Crossing, Indiana

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The references say this was a post office, not a settlement. Mangoe (talk) 14:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment Isn't that how settlements were established back in the day? Having a post office established usually gave more credibility. Obviously not a good argument today for WP:GEO but might explain why the article was created. – The Grid (talk) 20:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

No, it is not. Most formal settlements in that era were "platted", that is, someone laid out lots and streets and got people to settle there. These have a characteristic grid pattern which appears all over the midwest. Post offices popped up in response to the need for people to come and get their mail, and they were placed pretty much anywhere: stores, railroad stations (as a rule), and even peoples' homes. The further west one goes, the more likely they were to be isolated, and the4y often moved when the postmaster changed. If you look particularly in Indiana there are a lot of post offices which have short lifespans at the end of the 19th century and the first decade of the 20th, when RFD made them superfluous. Mangoe (talk) 22:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Social utility efficiency

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The definition of SUE as appearing in this article appears to be only discussed by Samuel Merrill and no other authors (excepting SPS and other unreliable sources) in the past several decades. I do not think this meets the notability bar. Affinepplan (talk) 13:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Clinton String Quartet

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Doesn't meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom; I searched and was unable to find any meaningful coverage to establish notability for this music group. Left guide (talk) 23:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete I couldn't find sufficient coverage either.

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List of films shown within films

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This list has a trivial and unverifiable concept, with only one of the included films (WALL-E) including a source that demonstrates the importance of the scene to the film.

This article was created in the last edits (that are visible to non-admins) of User:I believe in Ryan Reynolds, who created an unmaintainable List of film showings and pointy List of protected articles on Wikipedia right before their block for disruptive editing on film articles, so it's probable that this article was created as a joke. QuietCicada chirp 13:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per NLIST and NOTDB. This is much more suited for something like TV Tropes. ~ Matthewrb ^{Let's connect · Here to help} 16:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - rather arbitrary criterion not discussed in sources. --Altenmann >talk 17:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Kole Akintujoye

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I don't think this person meets GNG. They claim to have received a global recognition award but that award doesn't appear to be notable either. Most of the sources seem to be blogs and interviews Gbawden (talk) 08:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - a made up in one day award for up and coming but ultimately run of the mill business person without significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 05:00, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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• keep. Satisfies WP:GNG at least as a filmmaker. --Altenmann >talk 17:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: There's a clear-cut pass of WP:FILMMAKER here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Bobo Ajudua

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Closed as delete in AFD just June 2023, the article found its way back again. But nothing has changed. The current sources are 95 percent press statement or covertly sponsored articles announcing new business deals Ednabrenze (talk) 09:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Sources still don't impress me, I'm not seeing much beyond business deals done and the like. I also don't find much more in RS since the last time we looked at this about a year ago. Not meeting notability requirements. Oaktree b (talk) 14:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Sources are regular PR business coverage. --Altenmann >talk 18:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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The result was Procedural keep‎. (non-admin closure) Nate • (chatter) 21:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

DWRD

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Reason Jerick Reforba (talk) 12:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Procedural keep, no deletion rationale given. Geschichte (talk) 20:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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From Me to You (Crunchy Black album)

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Per the first discussion, no evidence that this album is notable, and since the artist's page is just a redirect to the far more notable group he is a part of, this doesn't even serve a purpose as a redirect. No chart positions, no certifications, only one review that really goes in-depth about the album (the AllMusic writeup is more of an overview of the release, while the XXL piece is an interview so not independent), no evidence of notability to pass WP:NALBUMS. My attempt to have the page speedy deleted per WP:A9 (see the last discussion) was declined. JeffSpaceman (talk) 10:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - This is tougher than it looks because the album received a couple of pro reviews though they were pretty short. However, the rapper was declared non-notable outside of Three 6 Mafia in this recent AfD, so it's tough to justify an album article. The album's existence could be mentioned briefly at the Three 6 Mafia article, especially because Crunchy Black is still with them, at least intermittently. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Turkish tango music

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I found some sources such as https://www.idildergisi.com/ozet.php?dili=2&ref=1619560991&did=241 but am not sure notable enough Chidgk1 (talk) 10:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep 'Turkish Tango in its 100th Year' in Istanbul: Melodic fusion of mastery, movement https://istanbultarihi.ist/770-the-tango-in-istanbul, https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=966030 . Please, search for sources before nominating an article. LefterDalaka (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

  Keep Like said again, There are applicable references- we just need to incorporate them. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Neon Hunk

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I believe this article should be deleted for a few reasons; the first and most major is notability. I do not believe, at least as of this time, this duo is notable enough to have a page on Wikipedia. The article lacks sources, only featuring one that was put in the article in 2015. I've searched for sources to add to the article and can only find one article, a Pitchfork review, on an album they published, rather than the duo themselves. The article uses non-neutral language, such as "other noise/freak weirdos". It also contains a lot of unsourced speculation, stating that part of the duo is working on a full-length album, but this has never been published or confirmed by any source. Most of the wikilinks on the article go to non-existant pages, and no pages for the discography of the duo exist at all. This page has existed for years (since 2004 according to the edit history) and in that time, no verifiable and trustworthy sources have given notable information about the duo. Beachweak (talk) 11:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Comment there's a Pitchfork review ([41]) and an AllMusic review ([42]). toweli (talk) 11:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

These reviews are focused on an album created by the duo, Smarmymob, rather than the duo themselves. Beachweak (talk) 13:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I was just noting the existence of two reviews. Leaning delete, unless more sources are found. toweli (talk) 18:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• delete no sources to establish notability. --Altenmann >talk 18:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Also found reviews of Smarmymob in Stylus Magazine [43], Dusted Magazine [44], Suburban Voice [45] and this more trivial output: [46] and this one: [47] @Beachweak of course reviews are of albums. Albums are what musicians make. Do you propose an article is written about the album instead? Geschichte (talk) 20:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  I think if there are enough reviews of the album (which there are proving to be), an article could be written about Smarmymob; however, the article on the duo themselves doesn't seem notable enough to be kept, at least as of right now. It's ten years old and only has one, weak source. Beachweak (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Do you agree that Neon Hunk then should be preserved as a redirect to Smarmybob, failing a keep outcome here? Geschichte (talk) 11:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

  Not a bad idea to turn the page into a redirect rather than deleting it entirely; somebody would have to write the article on the album, though. Maybe delete the page until an article is published and then turn it into a redirect? Beachweak (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Note that under WP:A9, if the band/musician is non-notable and has no article, then an article for their album needs solid evidence that it has significance. I'm not sure if the few scattered reviews for Smarmybob will suffice. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

The Little Panda Fighter

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I do not believe this rip-off film is notable enough for inclusion. The article has 7 sources; however, sources 1 and 5 are merely lists of bad rip-off films where it is briefly mentioned, source 2 is an IMDB equivalent, source 4 is an amazon listing, source 6 and 7 are youtube videos about the film, and source 3 is about the studio and doesn't once mention the movie.

This film fails WP:NFILM as I can't find any more reliable sources out there. CoconutOctopus talk 10:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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That's true it should be deleted because I tried to make another article about another rip off film called Chop Kick Panda and it got denied for creation and when trying to fix the article and resubmitting it, it later got the ability to resubmit it disabled. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 16:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

That's not a reason for deletion. Mushy Yank (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• delete insufficient coverage for notability. --Altenmann >talk 18:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: sources on the page+https://www.topito.com/top-plagiats-dessins-animes https://collider.com/worst-animated-movies-2000s-ranked-letterboxd/ https://collider.com/animated-movies-2000s-worst-ranked/ and even https://collider.com/worst-animated-movies-letterboxd/ https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/26648/7-hollywood-ripoffs-titles-and-posters-and-plots-you-wont-believe + https://www.avclub.com/don-t-look-directly-at-these-horrifying-children-s-movi-1798257240 + https://www.cartoonbrew.com/feature-film/animated-mockbusters-list-94032.html https://web.archive.org/web/20160410042024/http://news.nster.com/1079-funny-and-ridiculous-rip-offs-of-famous-movies.html At the very least a redirect to List of Brazilian films of 2008 or to List of animated feature films of 2008 or to the 'original' film seems warranted in my humble opinion. Mushy Yank (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've alreadt explained how I don't believe the sources in the article are notable or significant; none of the sources you link above appear to me to be significant coverage but mostly "fun lists" which aren't enough for inclusion. I also don't think the article title is notable enough for a redirect. CoconutOctopus talk 19:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  I beg to differ. Mushy Yank (talk) 19:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  And you have every right to, I'm merely stating my case as to why deletion is correct. We'll see what the consensus is. CoconutOctopus talk 19:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

should a Redirect be the path chosen Vídeo Brinquedo#Filmography might be the best target.Mushy Yank (talk) 19:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to Vídeo Brinquedo#Filmography as per Mushy Yank. Honestly all they sources they gave don't indicate WP:SIGCOV - they are all passing mentions in a list and the only things I could find specifically about it are ugi like IMDb, Rotten Tomato, Fandom so clearly doesn't qualify for its own article, but, evidently the studio does so I don't see harm in redirecting it to a place in the studio's article where it is listed. MolecularPilot 22:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  For example, do you consider the following paragraphs, taken from the sources above, non-significant? (It's a real question) From my understanding of significance on WP, they are not passing mentions:

  How does it compare to the original? Take Kung Fu Panda, render it in MS Paint, then take the MS Paint version and render it on an Etch-a-Sketch. We’re not done yet. Put that Etch-a-Sketch version back into MS Paint and color it using the paint bucket tool and…jeez, that still looks way too good. Any way we can do this all on a Commodore 64?The Little Panda Fighter is about a world inhabited by bears that all look like someone punched a jar of Play-Doh in the face. One particularly perverse panda spends an unsettling amount of time in his dank basement, but instead of begging others to put the lotion on the skin, this panda dreams of becoming a ballerina. Unfortunately, he is forced to become a kick boxer (typical panda struggle). Will he find a way to bring these two worlds together? The movie probably cares less than you do. Also, the panda falls down a lot. Because he’s fat. Comedy!

  (MentalFloss)

  The Little Panda Fighter follows the story of a clumsy panda named Pancada, who works at a boxing club and has big aspirations of becoming a professional dancer. After a strange miscommunication error, Pancada accidentally ends up being a combatant at his club's upcoming fight, being mistaken for a legendary panda fighter who challenged the club's champion. Pandaca now must train for his upcoming battle, and finds that his dancing skills may just be helpful for him in the ring.As far as animated rip-off movies go, it's hard to get more blatant and obvious than The Little Panda Fighter, which is attempting to leech off of the success of Dreamworks' Kung Fu Panda. While Kung Fu Panda was filled with exceptional and groundbreaking visuals, fun characters, and exhilarating battle sequences, The Little Panda Fighter features none of these positive aspects. Its minuscule budget resulted in a film with primarily lackluster dialogue sequences and dated animation quality, with a plot that only resembles Kung Fu Panda via having a Panda main character.

  (Collider A)

  The Little Panda Fighter follows the story of a clumsy panda named Pancada, who works at a boxing club and has big aspirations of becoming a professional dancer. After a strange miscommunication error, Pancada accidentally ends up being a combatant at his club's upcoming fight, being mistaken for a legendary panda fighter who challenged the club's champion. Pandaca now must train for his upcoming battle, and finds that his dancing skills may just be helpful for him in the ring. As far as animated rip-off movies go, it's hard to get more blatant and obvious than The Little Panda Fighter, which is attempting to leech off of the success of Dreamworks' Kung Fu Panda. While Kung Fu Panda was filled with exceptional and groundbreaking visuals, fun characters, and exhilarating battle sequences, The Little Panda Fighter features none of these positive aspects. Its minuscule budget resulted in a film with primarily lackluster dialogue sequences and dated animation quality, with a plot that only resembles Kung Fu Panda via having a Panda main character.

  (Collider B)

  The Little Panda Fighter follows. the story of Pancada, a panda who works at a boxing club and has big dreams of becoming a world-famous dancer. After an unfortunate case of mistaken identity, Pancada accidentally gets caught up and is scheduled for an upcoming fight at his boxing club, and begins to train for what will be the fight of his life.It's clear from the get-go that The Little Panda Fighter 's primary purpose and reason for existing is to leech off of and scam unsuspecting viewers who mistook the film for Dreamworks' Kung Fu Panda, released the same year. Although, unlike the masterful animation style of the Dreamworks film, The Little Panda Fighter's cheap animation style leaves much to be desired. The film also features a hilariously strange plot, further amplified by the vocal performances.

  (Collider C)

  This movie could be a “Kung Fu Panda” spin-off about an unknown brother who managed to survive, but was separated from Po. And yet it’s just a trashy uninspired rip-off with a similar plot and lower budget. Besides, the panda on the poster doesn’t seem like a normal animal. It looks more like a host for some crazy fitness show for toddlers. Just kidding..

  (NSTER, Archived)

  I consider significance to be a threshold, and I would tend to think that it is reached here. Mushy Yank (talk) 22:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Peyanvilai

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No sources since 2008. Article appears to be entirely WP:OR. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete or Redirect Couldn't find any sources for the topic. Agreeing with User:Smallangryplanet that it is WP:OR. Either delete or redirect to Thoothukudi District. TNM101 (chat) 11:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I found this article and added it to the article. Unsourced claims should be removed.Chanel Dsouza (talk) 12:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Perumapalayam

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No sources since 2008. A search for RS shows mostly references to this page. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. It’s long overdue time to clean up. Bearian (talk) 10:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Comment found some sources and added to the article. Unverified claims should be removed.Chanel Dsouza (talk) 12:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

List of cinemas in Malaysia

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Whole list fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOR. Only one cinema has an article and most entries listed are cinema chains with cinemas attached to shopping malls. All references appear to links to the cinema's official website. Ajf773 (talk) 08:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: seems a perfectly standard topic for a list. Meets WP:NLIST as the topic has been the subject of coverage as a set (see Lee, A. Y. B. (2022). Malaysian Cinema in the New Millennium: Transcendence Beyond Multiculturalism. Hong Kong: Hong Kong University Press, p. 1, for as start, please) but WP:NLIST says: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability." Mushy Yank (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Trafalgar Street (album)

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Reference is an opinion piece and there aren't other sources for this album, the band's article itself is barely referenced and seems to be taken from a no longer active website. Smallangryplanet (talk) 08:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Revive (band). Some of this band's other albums received multiple pro reviews in Christian Rock publications like Jesus Freak Hideout and Cross Rhythms. I can find no dedicated reviews for this album and it is only briefly mentioned in the magazine article that is used as a source. However, that is not merely an "opinion" piece as said by the nominator. There are also possibiities for improving the band's article, the current state of which is not relevant for this album-only discussion. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I have added some improvements to the band's article. See WP:NEXIST on how to not condemn an article after looking at it just briefly. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

List of horror fiction writers

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Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NLIST. This article is just a simple list without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit, and no WP:SIGCOV indicating this list is discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. Article contains original research as well with many questionable entries where the corresponding article doesn't even mention horror fiction writer. Isaidnoway (talk) 08:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, once suitably pruned and referenced to address the objections given above. There are certainly plenty of lists from WP:RS of top 10, top 100, etc. horror books, and that might be a good place to start. See User:The Anome/Draft/List of horror writers for a fairly defensible list of writers, each cited to at least one WP:RS as either being notable for being a horror writer or as the author of at least one notable work of horror fiction. — The Anome (talk) 08:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep, navigational lists like this don't have to be an encyclopedic topic (and nor do they even need to be referenced), they're here to help the reader find pre-existing articles on their members. This list is helpful to the reader who wants to know the biographical details of that author they remember reading last year, "...who's name began with a B... or was it a C... Martha someone??". Elemimele (talk) 13:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: and if the revised version was to be enhanced by nationality and dates, like the current version, that would add value as well. I'd also point out that the topic of horror authors has been discussed in many published works, eg. to name just the first two hits of Google Books, ISBN 9780786462490, ISBN 9781587150111... — The Anome (talk) 14:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep I'm not much of a fan of navigational lists in general, inasmuch as they oftentimes aren't well suited to their intended purpose and don't have well-thought-out WP:LISTCRITERIA, but this seems like a rather defensible one both in terms of scope and design (the real solution would be some kind of technical solution that would make maintaining these kinds of lists manually unnecessary, but that's a separate discussion). Being a navigational list and thus being restricted to entries with stand-alone articles per WP:CSC keeps this from expanding unboundedly as some lists are wont to do, and entries having only the minimal biographical information keeps it from becoming bloated with a bunch of WP:Original research commentary on the entries as is unfortunately also common on list articles (as long as the entries stick to it, at least). The corresponding category (Category:Horror writers) appears to contain a few hundred articles on writers in its various sub-categories (I could, admittedly, be way off in that estimate), so it shouldn't get so long as to necessitate a split or similar. As for inclusion criteria, I might suggest a simple "described as a horror writer by WP:Reliable sources" or something along those lines. TompaDompa (talk) 14:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: TompaDompa and I have now extensively reworked this list article into a version that is now fully sourced and purged of excess fluff. The criterion for inclusion is now "notable writer who has published significant work in the horror field" (notability of the author to be shown by the existence of a properely sourced WP article, and the significance of the work by the cite given here, eg. one or more of their horror works being the subject of WP:RS that describes it as such, or the presence of the work/works in a "best of" horror writing list published by a WP:RS.) — The Anome (talk) 15:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
    • I can't really take credit for much more than working on the formatting... TompaDompa (talk) 15:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Ali Daei Stadium

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No refs on the page for a long time. It's tough to read sources from Iran but this one is quite spicy - it is about an official complaint that the stadium has never been finished. I can't tell if it has ever actually been used for sport, however the news clips as far as I can tell looking at translated pages appear to be regurgitated from official sources (announcing the opening and this one about complaints). I don't think it is notable because it's an unfinished building project. JMWt (talk) 08:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Ardabil – Non notable stadium. Svartner (talk) 07:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Game Sack

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I enjoy the channel a bunch, but this is non-notable stuff. The article reads like a well-compiled collection of trivial mentions and scarcely any of the citations are significant and in-depth enough to provide reliable background about the creators and establish why their channel and its content is notable. Most citations are passing mentions in unrelated articles, like Scott Wozniak citing them in a list of influences or HG101 briefly mentioning a video of theirs exists. There's just not enough about the channel as the primary subject matter of the citations. A quick search for reliable coverage only yields the Vice article on their hiatus. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Unfortunate delete. Only SigCov is aforementioned Vice article, and a search only gave me a bunch of football shite. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable and not receiving significant coverage. The sources provided seem pretty sketchy, too. --My Pants Metal (talk) 19:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

List of Chaotic characters

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Could not find sources on the characters nor the list as a whole. There is some content that can be merged with Chaotic (TV series), but a lot of it is WP:PLOTSUMMARY. Conyo14 (talk) 05:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep and trim appropriately. The subject of the list is Chaotic (TV series), so notability is not in question, except by editors who dispute the first half of the statement. Nothing stops you from cleaning up plot summary now, which will need to happen in any event. Jclemens (talk) 16:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Sahla Parveen

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Nothing has changed since the last AFD. Fails GNG. Thilsebatti (talk) 04:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: The reference to Deccan Chronicle is valid. However, the inclusion of 'Amazon' as a reference is inappropriate and does not meet reliable sourcing standards. Given these sources, the subject may not meet the criteria outlined in Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines (WP:GNG), which require significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Therefore, additional references from reputable publications would be needed to establish notability effectively. Baqi:) (talk) 10:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete the DC's author seemed dubious, but further review revealed that Cris S is an assistant editor at DC. After removing Amazon and Goodreads, the other three sources don't meet the significant coverage requirement.Chanel Dsouza (talk) 12:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Elena Felipe and Bernadina Rivera

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Could not find coverage to meet WP:ARTIST. The one source provided may be indepth but one needs multiple sources to demonstrate notability. LibStar (talk) 04:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Ri Myong-jun

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete or Redirect to 2007 FIFA U-17 World Cup squads#North Korea as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 02:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep Bits around and more on the web to digest, I found little bits with [48], [49], youtube, [50]. There appears to be more sources around on the internet about him which I can't be bothered to go through. The nature of his career shows there was interest in him and some reporters have picked up on that and reported it. You just need to go looking, an extensive WP:BEFORE hasn't been done here in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 09:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Considering that information about these North Korean players is almost impossible, here at least we have something. I'm going to withdraw my vote, I don't know if it's enough for WP:SIGCOV, but let's expand the discussion. Svartner (talk) 00:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Of the four sources, only the first seems to be decent. Source #2 is primary, Source #3 is against WP:LINKSTOAVOID, while Source #4 is a brief mention in match report. None of them pass WP:GNG in my opinion. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 16:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per my reply to Govvy and Svartner. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 16:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Julie Breathnach-Banwait

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I don't believe she meets WP:AUTHOR or WP:BIO more broadly. 1 hit in google news and nothing in google books which is surprising for a writer. LibStar (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep and augment. Part of the issue with the author is that it can be difficult to meet WP:AUTHOR when her working language is Irish, and that doesn't Google so well. I'll also point to her article in the Irish Language Wikipedia, which has clearly met inclusion criteria there. Yes - different wiki, different rules, but still ... - Alison ^talk 04:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Google Books actually does have quite a few hits, BTW - Alison ^talk 05:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

    Which of the google books hits would be WP:SIGCOV? LibStar (talk) 05:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - I'm not seeing sufficient independent RS to show that the notability criteria have been met. JMWt (talk) 11:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• weak keep: Her works have been included in anthologies [51], and some analysis here [52] and here [53]. There's some coverage in Gaelic (?) sources if you limit it to .ie websites, but I can't tell what qualifies as a RS in that language. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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• Comment: I was the one who got the article up in the first place, but I tend to agree now that more references are needed, as discussed above. As for notability, a significant problem for writers in Irish is that few reviews are available in English, though I would regard her as a poet worthy of inclusion on her own merits. If the consensus was that the article should be deleted, I would accept that, and see if I could come up with something new and improved. Colin Ryan (talk) 02:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep The RTE and Irish Times are reliable sources. With a bit more sleuthing, we could find a third good source for significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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The Cane as a Weapon

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Neither the book nor the author appear notable. This is a book summary. ZimZalaBim ^talk 02:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment I don't see anything immediately referencing this on Scholar or Newspapers, so this appears to be a factually correct nomination... but I wonder if we're missing something. This is clearly a real book, short though it may be, from 112 years ago. It's in the public domain. Why should we delete this solely on notability grounds? Jclemens (talk) 06:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess because merely existing, no matter for how long, doesn't satisfy WP:BK. I searched too, and didn't find any coverage of this. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 13:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Guidelines are there to help us write the best encyclopedia possible. They don't exist in a vacuum, and in large part they are designed to keep people with COI from misusing Wikipedia for (passive or active) self promotion. This is so old that isn't a consideration. Jclemens (talk) 06:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I found a source in the NYT - I also found this book that mentions the author. If there are more like this, we could probably make this an article about Cunningham and have a section about the book. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  This description of the book is kind of hilarious. It's a favorable advert, of course, but kind of tongue in cheek. With the other source I didn't realize that was put out by the American Society of Civil Engineers. Is that a society along the lines of the Royal Societies? Would membership in that count towards notability? ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  Huh. There was a very strong, promising start but I can't really find anything else. I get the feeling that there's probably more out there, just tucked away in various archives and not indexed in any substantial way on the internet. At the same time, I don't really have a ton of proof to back that up, other than the NYT source and a handful of other things, much of which are put out by organizations associated with Cunningham.

  So unless someone can provide sourcing, I'm leaning towards a delete. I don't want to make an official judgement call on my end because I'm admittedly hoping someone will find something. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

  I found a review of the book in the Saskatoon Daily Star, Feb 1913. Does that help? Toughpigs (talk) 17:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Cordillera Negra (Chile)

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This seems to be a mountain, not a mountain range, in Chile. In any case, I cannot find any references to this mountain except a dot on a map which refers to Wikipedia as its source. Fails WP:NGEO. Please note there is a mountain range with the name Cordillera Negra in Peru, but that is a different story. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 00:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete for reasons discussed by nominator. I cannot find any additional information and sources.

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Delete couldn't find sources for Chile one Who am I? / Talk to me! / What have I done? 14:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Neutral Searched for book and scholar sources but could not find any. Probably a hoax. Note the article creator is permabanned: his creations should be reviewed. --Bedivere (talk) 16:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I've had a closer look at the topic and it seems to have been covered/mentioned in some publications, including this one by SERNAGEOMIN (geological and mining service of Chile). Also there's an offline work named Carta Geológica de la Décima Región (SUBIABRE & ROJAS, 1994), cited in this thesis, which also refers to the Cordillera Negra. --Bedivere (talk) 17:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Well found, @Bedivere! If I read it correctly, the Chilean Cordillera Negra then lies in Futrono municipality, between Caunahue River to the north and Calcurrupe River and Curinilahue river to the south, between Llifén in the west and Huilo-Huilo Biological Reserve in the east. More to the west lies the Cerros de Quimán, another article created by the same permblockied user @Dentren. If this is right, I propose to redirect both Cordillera Negra (Chile) and Cerros de Quimán articles to the geography section of Los Ríos Region, where both Cordillera Negra and Cerros de Quimán should be mentioned in the paragraph on Precordillera. Or should it be under the subtitle Andes? Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Precordillera would do IMO. Bedivere (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Yun Yong-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Sonoran University of Health Sciences

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Non-notable education business. Most sources are discussion of naturopathy itself, don't mention the article topic, the other three are PRs or the institution's own website. No evidence of coverage in secondary sources. Jdcooper (talk) 00:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak keep or merge into a new article "Naturopathic schools in the US". I generally agree with Jdcooper's comments but question whether the conclusion is to delete. I tried to improve this article after discovering that it was substantially written by an employee. Despite database searches, I could find little independent and reliable coverage. Sonoran is formerly Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine & Health Sciences. A recent investigation found that its "medical" graduates had the 4th highest debt to earnings ratios among graduate programs in the US. According to tax filings, Sonoran had $20 million of revenues in FY2023. This seems pretty significant, so I don't think a complete deletion is warranted. ScienceFlyer (talk) 17:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Ri Thong-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Martin Fong

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I have been unable to verify any of the information in this article other than some of the film credits. Searches via ProQuest, NewspaperArchive, Google Books, and plain-old Google have turned up no significant coverage of this person. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Subject lack references to meet notability per WP:GNG, they fail WP:SNG too Tesleemah (talk) 18:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Subject lack references to meet notability per WP:GNG, they fail WP:SNG too Tesleemah (talk) 03:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Completely unsourced, created by suspected sock PPdd on May 23, 2011. Looks like a lot of this was written by Martin Fong himself. The entry on him at IMDb was written entirely by him. Quite possibly the entire article has been created by socks of Martin Fong. The many edits of User Lifesucksdie123 were exclusive to this page - no other article. — Maile (talk) 02:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Alliance of Concerned Jewish Canadians

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Non-notable, inactive group. Insufficiently sourced and due to the fact this group appears to be defunct, it's unlikely better sources will become available. Wellington Bay (talk) 00:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete – Most of the article is just quotations of the organisation's opinions and views. The coverage in the secondary sources does not appear significant either. Yue🌙 21:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)