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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_November_27
November 27
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Masters of the Universe Evil Warriors
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Excessive categorization for Category:Masters of the Universe characters with very few articles that fit this definition. The main category is enough. Jontesta (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Masters of the Universe Snake Men
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Excessive categorization for Category:Masters of the Universe characters with no actual articles that fit this definition. Jontesta (talk) 16:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Masters of the Universe Heroic Warriors
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Excessive categorization for Category:Masters of the Universe characters with very few articles that fit this definition. The main category is enough. Jontesta (talk) 16:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Doctor Who technology
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Doctor Who technology to Category:Doctor Who
- Nominator's rationale: Virtually nothing to add to this category. The whole show is about fictional technology and we don't need to contort every other article to pointlessly fill this. Jontesta (talk) 16:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Forest planets in fiction
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Forest planets in fiction to Category:Fiction set on forest planets
- Nominator's rationale: This will match other similar categories such as Category:Fiction set on desert planets, Category:Fiction set on ocean planets, , etc... This category already includes more articles about fiction rather than the planet themselves, and will be more accurate. (It would be preferable to re-categorizing the incorrect articles and deleting this category as too small.) Jontesta (talk) 15:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:All articles needing copy edit
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: For consistency with Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit; also Wikipedia:Categorization#PROJECTCAT. JJPMaster (she/they) 15:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Baldwin, Chemung County, New York
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 11:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fortification weapons
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Vague categorization without any established definition. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support nom this is an unclear choice for categorization and may be WP:OR. Too small and can be categorized some other way. Jontesta (talk) 15:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Vehicle weapons
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Vehicle weapons to Category:Vehicle-mounted weapons
- Nominator's rationale: This category is clearly not about all weapons that are vehicles, but rather, weapons attached to vehicles. The name should be less vague. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wahhabists
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Wahhabists to Category:Wahhabis
- Propose renaming Category:Wahhabists by nationality to Category:Wahhabis by nationality
- Propose renaming Category:Indian wahhabists to Category:Indian Wahhabis
- Propose renaming Category:Pakistani Wahhabists to Category:Pakistani Wahhabis
- Propose renaming Category:Saudi Arabian Wahhabists to Category:Saudi Arabian Wahhabis
- Propose merging Category:Afghan Wahhabists to Category:Wahhabis
- Propose merging Category:Indonesian Wahhabists to Category:Wahhabis
- Nominator's rationale: Common name. An incomplete nomination was previously made for the parent category at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_12#Category:Wahhabists with a valid rationale, but that one was subject to a procedural close. Merge Afghan and Indonesian for now, as they currently only hold one page each. – Fayenatic London 11:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Oriental Orthodox congregations established in the 4th century
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: delete, anachronistic category, the Oriental Orthodox Churches did not exist yet in the 5th century. The three articles are already in Category:Christian monasteries established in the 4th century, there is no need to merge somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Primitive weapons
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT like its parent category, except this seems to be unsalvageable in comparison. The definition of primitive is up for debate, a spear is relatively advanced compared to, say, a rock. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support this is a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT for sure. What is primitive? This isn't the right way to categorize weapons. Jontesta (talk) 15:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Primitive technology
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Primitive technology to Category:Low technology
- Nominator's rationale: Rename to become the category with the main article low technology. "Primitive" appears to be WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support what is "low" technology is subjective. A better solution would be renaming/merging this to Hand tools or manual tools, in contrast to power tools. Alternately this could simply by deleted, since other categories make more scientific distinctions. Jontesta (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Weapons by target
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Weapons by target to Category:Weapons
- Propose merging Category:Land mines by target to Category:Weapons
- Nominator's rationale: Confusing - I initially assumed it contained weapons meant to be used on a particular person or object. I am having a hard time thinking of a way the title might be modified to actually make sense or be defining, best to put the subcategories back where they used to be. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps salvage the first to Category:Weapons by type of target. On the other hand Category:Land mines by target can just as well deleted, it has only two subcats and both are also somewhere else in the tree of Category:Weapons by target. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Notified WP:MILHIST for input on this dicussion [1] - The Bushranger One ping only 07:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support nom. Unclear what this is supposed to subcategorize. Better off up merging and using other categorization schemes to address this. Jontesta (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Songs from Joker: Folie à Deux
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: None of these songs are defined by its use and appearance in the Joker movie. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 03:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we should only categorize original songs from films. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Birth control law and case law
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:Birth control law and case law to Category:Birth control law and Category:Birth control case law
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should split this becayuse typically case law is nested under law SMasonGarrison 01:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is only one article about a law in the category, do you really suggest making a separate category for it? I think just a rename to the less clunkier Category:Birth control law would suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- The split would allow the categories to be more cleanly nested. The One child policy category wouldn't fall under birth control case law. Having both would make the parents cleaner, because Category:Reproductive rights case law is currently a parent. SMasonGarrison 02:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Mason's most recent comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Puerto Rico Adjutant Generals
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Puerto Rico Adjutant Generals to Category:Puerto Rico Adjutants General
- Nominator's rationale: Correct plural per Category:Adjutants general of the National Guard of the United States StAnselm (talk) 19:23, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 23:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Adjutants General of Puerto Rico per all other subcategories of Category:Adjutants general of the National Guard of the United States. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)- @StAnselm: Thoughts on The Bushranger's proposal above? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's fine by me. Good idea, actually. StAnselm (talk) 02:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional extraterrestrial robots
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NONDEF as, while they are a character type that appears from time to time, there does not seem to be something defining about the combination of extraterrestrial and robot in particular. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as the categories are well-populated, and it is worth distinguishing bots of alien origin from home-grown ones. – Fayenatic London 09:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll bite - I will gladly withdraw this if you can show evidence of the defining nature of an extraterrestrial robot. Heck, if it really is notable, Extraterrestrial robots in fiction would seem like a cool article for me to write. I'm just not seeing it right now though, and that is just an assertion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I fail to see how characters types are not defining. Dimadick (talk) 19:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: Being an alien as a character type is defining. Being a robot or cyborg is also defining. However, this is questioning whether being both at the same time is also defining, which is wholly different and not just "a single character type". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support nom. This is a WP:CROSSCAT that is too subjective to categorize. Jontesta (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Marvel Comics film characters
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This category's description is for "Film characters based on Marvel Comics", although in recent months, it has become populated by an absurd amount of articles for the comic characters themselves, with many of those being for characters only RECENTLY being featured in some mass media. This cat has primarily operated as a holding for the three current subcats which are actually for film adaptations of these characters. This cat is repeatedly readded to articles on the comics versions and I am requesting full deletion as the current subcats handle all relevant media adaptations in film, or, if that does not pass, then I would request this cat to be purged and converted into a formal holding cat. Trailblazer101 (talk) 07:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's comment: I would also like to note that the creator of this cat, User:Dietic, has a history of making similar categories as this one for Marvel adaptation characters that were overcategorized on the comics articles and were subsequently deleted in the past few years, many of which may be viewed via their talk page. Trailblazer101 (talk) 07:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This is redundant and risks over categorization. Jontesta (talk) 14:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Purge all non-film characters. The category as it currently exists is not functional but this could work. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clear consensus for a change; should it be purged or deleted?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)- Purge: Agree that the cat should be limited to articles about the characters from the films specifically, but that that's a perfectly fine scope to maintain and the category retains value so long as that scope is maintained. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- The description is more specific than its title, so just change the description or the title? Tag the users populating it. --MikutoH talk! 03:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Purge and convert to container category. I looked at some of the members and thought it would be weird for Ant-Man not to be in the hierarchy, but then found the article Scott Lang (Marvel Cinematic Universe) which does the job for that character. Many other members have only made cameo or minor appearances in MCU, and should not be categorised here. I would not object to a category for MCU character redirects. – Fayenatic London 21:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe characters already exists and gets the job done, so for many of those articles, this is just adding another category with a similar scope, especially when the MCU characters cat is a subcat of this film characters cat. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also containerize?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Swedish military-related articles
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This seems to be a "catchall" sort of category that aims to collect all articles related to the Swedish military...except the various subcategories of Category:Military of Sweden already cover these articles. This appears to be some sort of "this one user found it useful" thing, which would best be used as a list page in userspace - but not a facing-all-users category. The Bushranger One ping only 01:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Extraterritorial properties of the Holy See
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category, upmerge SMasonGarrison 01:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, not sure of the lack of definingness, but there is only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional melee weapons practitioners
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: With the deletion of Category:Melee weapons, this category has no reason to exist either. As for the category's individual members, I suggest a manual merge to Category:Fictional martial artists for whatever qualifies, but otherwise total removal. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Diffuse per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or diffuse Doesn't make sense anymore. Jontesta (talk) 15:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fist-load weapons
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Made by a banned user who had a fondness for this "fist-load" term. Unfortunately, it is not a term with an article and fails WP:NEO. It's possible some (but not necessarily all) may be best merged to Category:Blade weapons and Category:Blunt weapons. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Point of order, the user who created these categories was not a banned user. The one who (apparently) added a lot to them was. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- They are the same user. Said user made numerous sock accounts over the years to recreate faulty fictional categories they made. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wonder how come the category-creating user was never blocked? - The Bushranger One ping only 07:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe it was not seen as necessary due to them abandoning that account. Can't say I get the logic, but they'd probably be blocked fast if they started using it for disruption. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wonder how come the category-creating user was never blocked? - The Bushranger One ping only 07:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- They are the same user. Said user made numerous sock accounts over the years to recreate faulty fictional categories they made. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Point of order, the user who created these categories was not a banned user. The one who (apparently) added a lot to them was. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:OR and WP:NEO. Jontesta (talk) 15:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Armories (military)
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Armories (military) to Category:Arsenals
- Nominator's rationale: See WP:OVERLAPCAT. They share the same article overall, with only naming differences. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Honorary weapons
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Honorary weapons to Category:Individual weapons
- Nominator's rationale: There are only a few articles in this category that are actually honorary weapons. The others appear totally miscategorized. It is likely going to be better to selectively dual merge the few that apply to Category:Individual weapons and Category:Military awards and decorations than continue with such a totally inaccurate and misleading category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:OR and WP:NEO. Even if someone can find proof this is a real thing there aren't enough clear examples and it could be merged. Jontesta (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Weapon guidance
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Weapon guidance to Category:Guided weapons
- Nominator's rationale: Seems totally redundant, per WP:OVERLAPCAT. If there is a reason both of these categories should exist separately, let me know, otherwise I don't see why they can't be merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Keep. "Weapon guidance" is for types of guidance, while "Guided weapons" is for specific weapons that are guided - a rather distinct difference. This category may need some trimming of its contents, but as far as its existiance goes, it is completely cromulent. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)- You saw the contents of the category, correct? Because nothing in there appears to be a "type of guidance" besides acoustic homing, fire-and-forget and Missile guidance (but that has its own category). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- ...yes, I did, and that's why I said what I said about it needing to be trimmed. Which I have in fact now done. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have subsequently moved even more articles away from the category. That said, I suppose I can be fine with agreeing to a rename Category:Weapon guidance techniques in order to clarify the difference. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Move to Category:Weapon guidance techniques - sounds good to me. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have subsequently moved even more articles away from the category. That said, I suppose I can be fine with agreeing to a rename Category:Weapon guidance techniques in order to clarify the difference. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- ...yes, I did, and that's why I said what I said about it needing to be trimmed. Which I have in fact now done. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- You saw the contents of the category, correct? Because nothing in there appears to be a "type of guidance" besides acoustic homing, fire-and-forget and Missile guidance (but that has its own category). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Boeing military aircraft
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Boeing military aircraft to Category:Boeing aircraft
- Nominator's rationale: Un-needed splitout; all other subcategories of Category:Aircraft by manufacturer do not distinguish between civil and military types (and indeed, many are both, which would lead to unneeded category duplication). All aircraft here are already also in appropriate subcategories of Category:United States military aircraft. The Bushranger One ping only 00:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)